As stated in post 10 ITT:
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You think a fresh Wrath server is the same as a fresh vanilla server?
Lol oh okay.
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All freshers are alike. Itâs the same FOMO mind-virus.
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Iâll take that non-response as a concession.
Whew. Iâm up too late. Goodnight friendos.
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The many fresh servers released with most wow expansions for retail throughout the years, Som and LKC prepatch fresh servers. Som hung on due to HC and LKC fresh servers had people crying for another fresh within a month as there was already level 70 players with glaives while the bulk of the fresh fomo players were still stuck in STV.
You can go off about âyeah well we havenât done it with classic era yetâ but if history is to be taken with any grain of salt, it too will be mostly dead within a month.
Donât care, I was playing BG3 anyways.
Sounds like cope to me. Som is not that different from classic era. Sure, maybe it was too soon from classic era ending, but thatâs moot, because if classic era really does have this die hard fan base and the freshies really do make up such a drastic number and have committed to the longevity of a fresh server, then it wouldnât have been dead so quickly. HC didnât die on som, but all the fresh players did.
Look guy you can very easily be one of the couple of handful of players who would stick out fresh after itâs not fresh, but as weâve seen with retails new servers on their expansion launches, som, and LKC fresh servers, fresh players play for the rush. Itâs about everyone having nothing which only exists for so long, until the elderly gentlemen screaming about how much that they love everyone having nothing realizes that theyâre level 22 and there is already level 60s farming prebis, and then they quit and cry for another fresh. That is the lifespan of most fresh server players.
I clearly stated my point 
I donât even care if it does take a steep nosedive. Just based on the amount of people asking for it, there will always be some players on it and thatâs all I need to run some dungeons
No, youâre the weird kid in the corner screeching and Iâm trying to find out if youâre ok or not.
Like I donât get it. You live on a game thatâs supposed to be based on communication yet you lack the ability to communicate.
The only reason to launch them alongside eachother would be the entertainment factor of seeing which one died first, itll be a close race and well within 3 months after launch but itd be fun to watch.
So just SOM and Wrath pre-patch.
SOM was ill-timed. No matter how much people liked vanilla, you canât say âvanilla again vs TBC for the first time in 15 yearsâ is a fair match. Thatâs in addition to other problems SOM had. However, Iâll provide a fair outlook: If a no-changes vanilla fresh server launched precisely when SOM did, it would have died as well. Vanilla fresh is a desired product, but at the time, TBC Classic was far more desired.
Wrath prepatch isnât even vanilla fresh, so it doesnât warrant much of a response.
A completely valid argument.
What history? Your two examples are easily dismantled. Especially given the context of this post which was based on timing (ref: alongside HC)
The opponents of fresh who point at SOM as their bad faith example misunderstand one thing completely: Fresh requires proper timing. You canât launch a fresh vanilla server immediately after finishing vanilla, and right when you started TBC, and expect it to last.
But there is a good time to launch Fresh vanilla: Near the end of Wrath. There is a not-small chunk of this community who will never touch Cata. I quit original WoW in Cata week 1 and Iâll never return. After Wrath Classic, itâs Era-until-fresh for me or Turtle WoW.
Thereâs going to be quite a few âfreshâ characters ending up in Classic Era because when you die on Hardcore, you donât lose the character. You just transfer to Classic Era.
Thatâs my current hold over plan until fresh.
You can pretend like retail doesnât exist, but your pretending of it doesnât change that retail has consistently throughout the years added fresh servers on expansion launches that no one ever cares about. I do not know if it continued, but, that doesnât change that it happened.
You can move the goal post and cry out that SOM is not âThe exact thing that I, Clayfighter, wantsâ, but it doesnât change that SOM was a fresh vanilla.
LKC prepatch fresh servers are also fresh servers.
Youâre trying to claim that âOh, if itâs this exact thing that I want, then itâll be fineâ when the meat and potatoes of this discussion is fresh servers, which we have seen to fail time and time again.
It isnât, because the discussion still ties back to fresh servers, which weâve seen, most people want continuation, not a reset. Most who want fresh want the rush of a launch, and once thatâs done, the remnants is a mostly dead server time and time again. The details of which era it is only affects which freshies will go to it, but the end result is always the same.
Easily dismantled if you ignore what I said, sure. Itâs why Iâm reiterating it, again.
Same energy as âWeâve never implemented communism correctly, in theory it works guys!â. Youâre strung on the details and ignore the history of all fresh servers Blizzard has implemented, which goes back deep in retailâs original trilogy timeline.
It does not matter if you add 1+3 to get to 4, or 3+1 to get to 4. The end result is the exact same. Itâs the same for fresh servers. All these details donât mean anything, as weâve seen time and time again, fresh servers just equal dead servers.
So no. It is not a smart business idea to drop fresh servers for players who will abandon it in a month because theyâre still level 22 in the Barrens as the sweats farm prebis.
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Bad bad bad.
How on earth are you measuring success lol.
With WoW expansions, you might as well be talking about a different game entirely.
Iâll go with the first metric of success: Private servers are the reason Classic ever happened.
Is it not world of warcraft?
Like youâre trying so hard to cope, but the fact remains, it is a wow ip, with wow servers that are fresh, that have consistently throughout the years been ignored by the player base of all the eras. It doesnât matter if itâs TBC, or LK, or WOD. Theyâve been ignored by the player base.
You can trying to narrow it down to your own specific ruleset, but it doesnât change that you are still, at the core of it, asking for a fresh server, which falls into the same fresh server category as all the rest, which weâve seen fail, everytime.
The closest you will get is HC servers.
If you want to make a crusade for it, then foster your own community, grow it over 2 years, and get Blizzardâs attention with actual player numbers, like HC did, otherwise, fresh will forever stay a bad business decision.
Based on your idiotic responses to everyone so far , I would argue this statement.
Except Iâve given examples to back up my points.
All youâve done is be a generic wow classic player, someone who lacks the ability to communicate at a basic level or think critically in any possible regard.
Your low tier one liners only further proves why all wow servers should just be closed down. You people need to be forced to be human at some point.
The last time Blizz added servers to Retail was early Wrath. Been over 14 years since they made a fresh server.