[WotLK] Let's talk Dungeon Finder

Okay Shadowlands and bfa I will agree with you Those who were complete garbage fires however.

Legion That’s a completely different story sir hold up here there was a lot of good stuff in legion legion was amazing.

Honestly if they had gotten rid of War Forgoing Titan fogoing and put Is the legendary vendor in at lunch.

I think legion would have been a perfect expansion the dungeons were good the class ordered halls were really cool the artifact weapons were cool.

And the story was actually good And the raids were good as well And mythic plus was really cool on top of it.

I mean yes there was the issue people had repeatedly run borge of souls for the The best artifact power results but aside from that legion was good.

Blacksmithing weapons were only made one hand in original TBC in the sunwell patch. They actually made it one hand earlier in TBCC than in original TBC.

I would 100% agree with that as players were always going to play the game different and just Because the developers want something the players are going to do something completely different.

Which is why feedback and communication between the players and the developer is so important and I think I think that blizzard is kind of blind to this a little bit.

They’ve gotten better but there is a lot of times when it really feels like They don’t actually know the audience that they’re providing the product for.

That may be true But I think it’s a little bit of both Because there are so many ways blizzard could have gone about this for example here’s a thought Maybe putting up a Beta server with lfd And then another without and see what the reception is.

I will admit players don’t always know what’s best for the game however when we’re all complaining about the same thing for months on end and it takes blizzard even longer to take action such a The world bus meta the classic PVP system server balance faction balance.

PVP in tbc As a whole When it takes them so long to actually do something it’s like by the time they finally do it’s kind of pointless.

That’s what people get really upset about and before we talk about any of that Thor lack of communication Giving people notice before patches come out so that they can plan vacations and what not around all game launches.

Cross-realm dungeon grouping is a very minor factor at best since you very rapidly reach the point where dungeon grouping isn’t a major component of what you do in-game. Indeed, one of the reasons that dungeon finder had minimal impact in original WotLK was that it was released so late in the expansion and most players were ‘done’ with dungeons already.

The primary factor in the formation of mega-servers is most likely the economy - which could easily be solved by cross-realm auction hall. A secondary factor would be raid formation, but I don’t believe that can be optimized away - lfr was an even more devastating blow to the community structure of WoW.

This really isn’t an issue of what players want so much as how it will impact the structure of the game. I completely understand the notion of wanting to push a button to get a group rather than having to go through the hassle of group formation. I don’t think reading endless “lfg” messages is any fun either.

However, what cross-realm lfg did was optimize away the game itself and effectively started the process of making it into a functionally a single player game where everyone else is just an NPC.

That’s a farce, the game is what you make of it. If you decide to treat them as NPCs they become NPCs to you.

How is playing with 4 other players in a dungeon a single player experience?

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When you dont talk to, interact, care about, or even really acknowledge the other party members and you treat them like NPC that are there to get you through the dungeon and nothing more.

Basically when you treat the dungeon as an escort quest…

Which is entirely a personal choice.

You can do that now.

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You have to at least have some form of conversation with others to get into the group.

No you don’t

Put yourself in LFG, accept invite, do dungeon, leave.

Oh so people do use lfg?

Guess we dont need rdf then.

We do, because it was in the game.

Just face facts, if your in here trying to force your viewpoints on others and think you have a right to insult and berate anyone not aligned with your opinions and then arguing for a feature to force others to play with you, then your truly out of touch with why it will not be implemented, Fact is a minority group of toxic supporters have raised their voices and shown their true colors in regards to social responsibility and empathy being non existent in their motivations to play, fact is they vehemently pollute the dialog with negativity and combative responses all the while painting an extremely accurate picture of who should not have acces to such a tool. Keep Dreaming if you think any convinience, not even a critical mechanic in the overall social meta, is gonna outweigh the potential for rng generated toxicity and its corrosive spread through the social fabric.

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So we should keep the exploits in the game as well? Because it was in the game right?

Thats not the only qualifier.

If they existed at the time, yes. If they were patched out, no.

I’ve never agreed with them making changes to game.

That’s what I find to be truly ironic. LFD’s biggest supporters show everyday on these forums exactly why LFD should not be added to Classic Wrath. They destroy any credibility they might have had otherwise and it’s why Blizzard, so far, has not gone back on this decision.

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Well, it is their game, and we are ag the point of some changes, which they have every right to make, seeing as it is their games.

Eventually they make the wrong changes and lose the playerbase.

Not LFD, won’t lose many people over that, but who knows what else they have planned.

Good lord. Blizzard throws us a bone, a small one, and some of you jump down their throats?! You’re all adults now right? Stop acting like children and get some perspective.

  1. How do you feel about Dungeon Finder not being added to WotLK Classic? - At all? Even though I do NOT like LFD, I think not adding it AT ALL would be a mistake. Adding it during the equivalent during the patch would be fine. I am against adding it from the beginning.

  2. What do you think are the positives of having Dungeon Finder?
    Helps small realms. QoL. People don’t have to sit there spamming chat for hours on end to find a group. They can go do other things. Prevents people from hard reserving items.

  3. What do you think are the negatives of having Dungeon Finder?
    Assuming we have it at the beginning, allowing everyone (not just guilds) to by pass the leveling process.
    Relying less on guilds - and thus social interaction - a core concept of MMORPGs. Now all this is moot if you don’t see Wrath as an MMORPG - or at least less so than the previous xpacs.

  4. Do you think an hybrid solution could be implemented, whether it be a partial Dungeon Finder or a different solution altogether, and what could that solution be, if you can think of any? The dev team CAN do anything. It’s what is cost effective. The fairest imo would be to implement dungeon finder as it was and release it at the right phase.

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