Why is it okay to replace Malygos and not Ysera?

I mean, SL kind of made everything completely meaningless.

But I agree. I would have loved to have seen a new leader.

I think he looks swank. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Thanks for dictating my intent to me. It’s like you know me better than I could possibly know myself!

Because John Money had a hand in fashioning it as it’s defined today.
I don’t care if someone wants to ID themselves as whatever they like, they can do that and, myself being considerate and presuming as much of them, I would gladly abide by their preferences, but that doesn’t mean I have to like that particular facet of it all and nor do I think anybody else should either. It isn’t a zero sum game, just because I hate John Money doesn’t mean I hate LGBT people, and that is a ridiculous assertion to make.

What matters a name? Would a rose smell sour if called a fart, or flatulence waft fairer by the name of rose? It wouldn’t, and thus for names I care little, hence my flippant regard for the change. But if you want to assume ill of me from the outset then by all means, be my guest.

Why are you binding leftism to the LGBT movement? Are LGBT people not able or allowed to fall on the right wing?

I mock the idea of gender because of its relation to John Money, because John Money is synonymous with garbage.
If someone wants to self-identify as whatever and presents themselves thus, I have no problem with it. I don’t know why that doesn’t compute for you.

See above.

Get married with whoever you want, I don’t care.
Read whatever book you want at school, or even out of it for that matter, I don’t care.
Refer to yourself and others however you like, I don’t care.
As long as you don’t try to legally compel me to speak a certain way I have literally zero problem with it.

I’ma leave it at that. If you want to clap back clap back, if you want to start mailing me in game fire away, w/e.

Malygos was a Villain who wanted to eradicate Magic. He was just like the Primalists at the time of his demise.

Infact the Dragons were following their Function due to Order Magic according to the Uldorus Report.

Malygos became like the Primalists due to Nether Dragon Disorder Magics releasing him from his purpose.

Since he had become a Primalist in mind the chances of him not siding with them upon resurrection is low.

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I’d like to take this moment to acknowledge how much cooler malygos was as well. Dude started draining the ability to actually use magic from every mortal. He was a villain yes, but had much more merit considering that he lost almost everything due to the actions of the night elves tampering with the well of eternity.

Ysera’s biggest feat is…minor participation in cata and dying.

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This ceremony to do this was only done by the blue dragonflight, no other flights participated. The blues did not have an Aspect. It also took place before the fight with Deathwing.

Kalec had been chosen as the Aspect of the blues (Malygos was long gone) when he gave the scale to Thrall. Ysera was also the Aspect of the greens when she did the same. (both were at the end of the book).

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I have one of them on ignore so it’s really just a one sided fight for me. Entertaining.

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You’re welcome, it’s clear by the topics you continually post especially when they have no relation to the topic at hand to make jokes against certain LGBTQIA+ members.

Said people didn’t bring them up, did they? Nope. You did, when they brought up Gender because you try to make Gender look like some bad thing.

You care a lot, as shown in your post early in this thread.

The rest of your posts and you bringing them up every time gender comes into play does, though.

Feel free to ask the devs and the people affected by it, seeing their name plastered every where as if they’re still in good will to me is definitely a bad thing.

Because that’s more factual, since the right wants to end LGBT in general.

The self-harming ones, or the ones that dislike other LGBTQIA+ in general do sure, a small amount. But even you push the narrative that LGBTQIA+ relates to ‘left’ stuff or ‘wokeism’.

Which I already pointed out why that’s bad. See above.

Seem to care a lot, given your posts here actually.

Which IMO, the choice of which is ironic given one dislikes LGBTQIA+ and it was something you advocated against Thal for previously but then you went the route of Milo Yan.

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They would have to wait almost 400 years to make a new green aspect though no?

While I don’t believe Blizzard is doing it for this purpose, I think trading Malfurion for Ysera is a good move because of what it opens up.

-this gives Tyrande a chance to lead the Night Elves without the expectation of Malfurion being active and present on Azeroth to bail the Night Elves out, like he always has

-I don’t believe Malfurion is being “killed” so much as he will be assuming whatever kinds of duties Ysera would have had in Ardenweald. This creates an opportunity for Malfurion to deepen his understanding of Elune as he works beside the Winter Queen and facilitates the cycle of life/death. He may even learn about the Drust, and how they could potentially be playing a role in the Emerald Dream. A lot can happen for Malfurion here, the ball is in Blizzard’s court.

-Malfurion HAS to be removed from play in terms of faction power. The Alliance is so much more incredibly powerful than the Horde at this point that it’s hard to write a conflict where the Alliance doesn’t roflstomp the Horde. They had to take to many liberties in War of Thorns to make the Horde even have a chance, and even then, it was bad storytelling, illogical, and poorly represented.

It’s a worrying time for Warcraft. We all love this game to pieces and just want to see it be as great as it can be, only time will tell if Blizzard can move back to “small ball” story telling where it’s all of the little things that create a huge story

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Wrong.

Malygos wasn’t a villain until he went crazy after watching his Flight decimated and his mate raised. And he never wanted to eradicate Magic. He wanted to stop mortals from using it. By killing rogue users.

Believing that the spellcasters of the mortal races were responsible for all of Azeroth’s troubles, Malygos began a terrible war to purge the world of “rogue” magic users, including the Kirin Tor of Dalaran.

Also wrong.

The dragon’s Nether-warped physiology began to affect the Spell-Weaver himself, ultimately helping him regain some of his lost sanity.[12]

He wasn’t.

He’s the only one who kept her sane. She’s a horrible leader.

He’s not a drsgon, so no. He’ll be trapped in the Shadowlands.

No he doesn’t. There’s no power imbalance.

Nope. The entire point of DF is to bring back the Aspects. You learn that in the very first chapter.

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Agreed! Change is always a good thing, that’s how you create new good and bad guys.

With a new aspect of dreams is opens various scenarios for that aspect to eventually turn into a bad guy or start favoring new characters instead of always be Tyrande and Malfurions best friend.

The best moments of Wow came from changing and evolving characters , like Garrosh coming from insecure young grunt to a leader in the Icecrown campaign to a war chief to going into madness from hatred and pride to death.

And Sylvanas rise and fall, Anduin ascension to a King and finally becoming an interesting character etc.

Ysera was a cool dragon but not so cool that she HAS to always be there and as said before her death was one of the highlights of Legion , they should stop bringing all those death characters and devaluing their final moments when they can and should develop new ones and with them change the entire dynamic of their environment.

A new Dream aspect who shuns malfurion and tyrande and chooses a new arch Druid and new ways, then some of the old characters not liking that and making rebellions leading to new good and bad guys coming out and some old good guys descending into hatred and madness in their zeal to keep the old ways as they were.

Blizzard needs to hire some Game of Thrones writers because this is how wow excels in storylines , changing and evolving characters

To be fair, we still don’t know why Ysera has to come back.

The dialogue that people keep getting antsy about (which has since been removed from the game files) never gave context as to why Ysera had to return, only that she had to for ‘some reason’.

And that reason could literally be anything. It could be because of her role as Aspect, or it could be something more critical, related to the seed that Tyrande was given at the end of Shadowlands (which is presumably going to be the seed that gives the Night Elves a new home).

We just don’t know enough at this point.

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And that’s the thing: she doesn’t have to. It can be written that Merithra fits into the Aspect they need.

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Well, you’re assuming Ysera has to come back because the reason is Aspect related.

We don’t know if it is or not yet. We just don’t know.

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You’re missing the point: no one HAS to come back. Storyline works by writing it and/or changing it. Characters don’t have a set path. People write them. Things can change. Whatever Ysera is meant for can easily be transferred to her daughter. There is always a way.

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I disagree. I think characters coming back is fine, whether they return as part of a resurrection story plot, or they come back because of an alternate universe plot (even though in that case they’re not really the character we knew). However if a character comes back, it has to be for a good reason.

When Blizzard brought back Thoras Trollbane, I thought that was great, because Thoras was one of those characters we heard about, but never saw as he was dead before the events of World of Warcraft began. So him returning as one of the Four Horsemen was an excellent move in my opinion.

When Blizzard brought back Grommash, Durotan, Blackhand, Kilrogg and Gul’dan as alternate universe characters, I thought that too was excellent. Having most of them serve as villains was a bit disappointing (especially in the case of Grommash) but others like Gul’dan lived up to their reputation.

So if they want to bring Ysera back, then I am okay with that, provided the reason is a good one. If it’s some weaksauce reason like Ysera wanting to give Alexstrasza a hug, or Shandris wanting a Shadowlands gumball machine, then yeah, that’s stupid, but if it’s critical to the Night Elves getting a new home or something major that a character like Merithra can’t accomplish on her own, then that’s fine. At least as far as I’m concerned.

You’re free to disagree of course, but that’s where I stand.

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I didn’t make a generalization about all characters.

And that’s perfectly acceptable to be okay with it. I’m not. Because it screws up so much story that’s already happened. And screws over the sane half of the Nelf leader pair. And that’s also fine. We just have different views.

Totally fine. We all have our perspectives.

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I may have misunderstood your post then, my apologies, I was replying to this specifically:

This made me think you were referring to ‘all characters’ not just Ysera.

Ah, I see. That was just an example overall for how writing works. I don’t have an overall issue with characters coming back, just the story it destroys in the process for this particular one. Sorry about that.

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