Yep and they also said that RDF was an idea they were trying to get working for awhile, the meeting stones in vanilla, the bad LFG Tool in TBC, and RDF in wrath was when they got it right.
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most âOGâ players donât socialize in game, they use discord, and the majority of them are just raid logging anyways.
random groups do not talk to each other while running the content they grouped up for. most of the time they just ask for your GS, whether itâs H+ (or hardmode for Ulduar) and then will just say GG/TYFG before hearthing away at the end of the run. 9/10 times anything else gets said itâs because of a wipe and people are trying to pass the blame around
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RDF ruined the game for no one. It was the first time i tried tanking and got a warrior to 80 because of it. Im an original player from 2005. Everything youve said in all of your posts in this thread is opinion from your personal pov only & far from fact.
Incorrect. We posted on forums for a decade+ for an official way to REPLAY the old xpacs we felt were superior to whatever the current retail xpac was at the time. We were pserver players sick of our characters not under official blizz servers, our characters got taken from us when blizz closed Nostalrius etc.
We got SPAMMED with the wall of no and were pariahs on the forum. Im telling you as a matter of fact the entirety of classic came about to REPLAY these old xpacs, like we were already doing on pservers, just officially done by blizzard.
RDF is a wotlk system. Just like dual spec, bg que anywhere, random bg que, etc. It is a system. It isnt content that needs to be held back to the appropriate time, the dungeons are the content.
Saying RDF is a retail feature and claiming those that want it arent the âOG playerbaseâ is so painfuly ironic.
The playerbase that wants to play wotlk again want wotlk with all of her systems. RDF doesnt kill your social interactions, it increases it. Provides more avenues for people to meet not less. Lets people try out new roles with less time investments & personally wouldnt have started tanking back then without it. Your point of view as an âog playerâ isnt the only one and id argue its been soundly defeated by all the pushback the decision has received. Wotlk has rdf, we want to play wotlk.
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If you donât see how NOT having RDF is negatively affecting the replayability of the game - and directly, subs. Then you may be the mosted rusted tool in the shed.
Iâm an OG player, 2004 launch day. If heroic + didnât exist, Iâd agree with your sentiment. But it does. Which is destroying the ability for people to reliability get groups for regular heroics without setting aside potentially hours of play time.
Again, I have alts I want to level (I ainât the only one ) . But itâs extremely and unrealistically pain staking for me to get one regular heroic group for emblems of heroism - let alone a dungeon spam for all my heirloom (I ainât the only one).
Iâm an OG player that decried RDF at launch, but greatly see the need for it now.8
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Like ive said, you think RDF is needed because of your own biases, but just because a loud minority wanted it, doesnt neccesarily mean its good for classic as a whole. Aside from the loud cries in the forums which number is insignificant compared to classicâs overall population (making the reason invalid), there are zero proof that RDF will make the game better.
However, based on blizzardâs past mistake, you can see the steep decline of subs when they introduced RDF during retail. That is proof enough that majority doesnt want RDF and the main reason classic is thriving today is because people want to socialize and RDF ruins it for majority.
You need RDF but sadly, thats not what the majority wants.
And you donât because of yours, see how that works?
Are you able to prove that it makes the game worse?
âMistakeâ is your own opinion with zero factual backing.
You cannot attribute sub losses to RDF, the decline was well after RDF was introduced and continued heavily into cata, the only decline in subs was just before cataâs release and unless you have insider information, the reason for the decline cannot be directly attributed to RDF, it is more likely that it was due to the entire destruction of the old world and people who were done after killing Arthas.
Citation needed on this and basically every other opinion you posted that you wish was fact.
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I assume youre new and doesnt know the history of WoW. Back in the day, wrath peaked sub count for WoW, they introduced RDF towards the end of it and sub count went down and never recovered.
I am not speaking of my own bias because it is factual that majority of the population do not want RDF hence why classic is still good in terms of players. If RDF is really what majority of players wanted then classic shouldnt be thriving at all right now. But the fact that it is still thriving means RDF is not that big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be.
If factual data of how WoW dropped in sub count after RDF was introduced isnt a good proof for you then it basically just means you are so delusional about your need for RDF and blinded by your own desire and try to project it as the will of the many.
Im glad blizzard looks at classic as a whole though and not get easily swayed by loud minority, imagine if blizz actually listened and destroy their game for the second time and alienate their core players just because few players cant be bothered to socialize and just want everything automated? Blizzard would be hopeless beyond saving at that point lol.
Been here since vanilla, you are also wrong on this entire paragraph. Subs went up during the patch RDF was released. Subs did not start a downward turn til after ICC in the RS patch and cata prepatch. Each graph shows this.
Prove this and I will believe you arenât biased. as it stands you cannot objectively prove this to be factual.
Still need you to prove any of this. So far itâs more opinion and flat out falsehoods.
Pretty much all you have is vague gesturing coupled with âtrust me broâ and insults. Bring some factual evidence (which is currently available in the other thread on this topic, including graphs proving you wrong).
Hereâs the graph, see that strong uptick about mid way through wrath? Thereâs your ICC/RDF patch. The next visible drop is right before the release of Cata, the biggest world update WoW has ever received. Wonder why people would leave?
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The game doesnât play anything like it originally did, itâs not balanced anything like it originally was. That being said I think 5% of the playerbase doesnât want it in, 5% wants it in and 90% doesnât care at all. They should just add it, though remember, it wasnât originally added until ICC.
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Or just add a couple of new RDF servers and leave the rest as is, like how they made fresh servers. Everyone who wants to play as it is now, rdf free, can just stay on their current realm. People who want RDF can transfer over to the new realms.
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The issue is they know RDF is wildly more popular so that would just piss most people off.
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Era is there for you when they put RDF in. You can play with the other 12 OGs in Era
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You should feel bad.
Look at that, subs peaked when RDF was added. I believe it. I was an unholy DK back then, and I never had to sit in queue for very long because so many people were using RDF. In fact, thatâs how I grinded out my last few levels, by spamming RDF. The only people that complained about RDF were the bitter Vanilla vets that hated WotLK anyway. Good thing they have Era servers this time around. They should go there and stop trying to turn WotLK into Vanilla.
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This is actually the only good idea here in this thread. That way, the minority who wanted rdf can just go to their own server while majority of the population, the vanilla players, who do not want RDF can also have their own lane.
But the problem is, people who like RDF are so few that even if they have their own server, the next thing these loud few will complain about is how dead their server is and will want to cross server queue with the populated one that doesnt have RDF.
This will open another discussion of losing server identity.
Go to Classic Era if you hate RDF so much.
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People always claim without any data that their side is the majority. Itâs a stupid thing to do because there is no reliable data and no one really knows. Iâve always supported blizzard doing anything to determine how many people want rdf and how many donât. Start a couple of rdf servers and see how many transfer there. Or at least do an official blizzard poll on the question. Even though blizzard has done polls after they announced there would be no rdf it has not ever asked the players what they wanted.
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To be fairâŚthe forums are the minority of the game itself lol.
the game shows lots of people not here. And events like CTA weekend showâŚthey like instanced, teleporting, qeueâd xp bearing content.
Even after removing 10 dk bots each sideâŚeach side still gets 30 people per side. 3 days, maybe 10 minute waits worst case. That was me in the 51 bracket. That went slower sometimes. 61 to 70 was maybe 5 minutes tops between matches.
why Iâd like to see the numbers from CTA AV. Anti rdf is going only a few want this. AV weekend numbers I think would say different. hell most CTAâs would. I spam AB to. SOTA? No one goes there of their own free will really. Those numbers would be low Iâd wager.
You take that trash till you get the daily off the RNG BG reward. And then you fire up several pvp sign ups for the rest individually lol.
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I am all for rdf, it was whatever to me back in retailâŚhowever LFR(Looking for Retards/Raid) imo started the down fall of wow for me the only enjoyment i got from it was going in as an over geared tank and trolling the idiots by running the bosses around in circles.
Funny you say thatâŚyouâd be loved for that now.
Tank is going dps where are you.
dps is going not standing in fire, please move out of all the poop boss has on floor.
tank is goingâŚno.
so a fun catch 22. you either stand in fire and are called stupid dps but getting numbers off. Or you donât stand in fire and are no dps (if melee).
Why I loved DH tanks. they by design hop all over the place. Less poop to stand in is never bad thing.