Meh, rdf seems to be only necessary on low pop servers anyway. At least with the lfg tool, you get to decide when and who you go with. Don’t even need to add friends to list, just grab the players you recognize and have fun with it. That or guild run your dungeons. If anything; Rdf should only be accessible for levels under 70. Thay need it the most
Its the least problematic caveat.
I hear…oh you want BIS given out. at this point there is no BIS sub 70 really.
its not like that level 59/60 would be spamming RDF for pre tier 1 BIS anymore. there is no Rag runs…its on to outland. To get whatever crap greens they can from quests and level there.
And the usual some want carries. Oddly enough some will try to level new classes. I eye an s. priest kind of now. I’ve only ever made 1 in retail and I don’t exactly have 1000 hours logged on her tbh.
If I made a s. priest for a bit I’d be fumbling around on her. Kind of the point of leveling dungeons. To try new things. solo questing does not prep for group content.
Its 1 to 70 leveling dungeon. It is not team try outs for a retail MDI team lol.
In total honesty, I probably fit that pretty well and so do a bunch of the people I started playing with when Classic came out BUT so many people from this category are gone.
Definitely, not everyone and I’d say fewer of the people who really love raiding have left, but a lot. Having no RDF in Wrath Classic didn’t save them.
Wrath Classic should really be for those who wanted Wrath. Not people who want Classic Vanilla.
Read these forums and so many people have good memories of RDF from Wrath. So even though I’ve never taken a hard stance on this topic specifically I really just think that RDF should be in the Wrath Classic and that’s pretty much it.
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Doing heroics via RDF was my main activity in OG. Other people may have rage quit when zoning into Oculus or Halls of Reflection, but not me. I was willing to do any dungeon.
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For that they could do what retail does.
If you really want dungeon X…do not sign up full RNG LFD. Pick those 1 or 2 dungeons you do want. They get filled in time.
Or take the rng. that is actually by design. Want the reward, accept you may not get your fave dungeon.
I personally found in retail this helps get skills. I personally hated Helya’s dungeon in Legion. If lFD gave it…you suck it up. And you get better at it. You still may not like it, but you git gud to make it go faster lol.
Okay first I’ll speak for yourself I’ve been playing the game since 2004 AND I LOVE RFD It makes Loveline so much more fun and fast And It also helps fresh level eighties get past the gear score boss AND logs boss
And even for end game players I can say What are the funniest things I used to do and miss Was kiwing as a high rank tank And just carry people through heroics. It was really fun to do It’s not fun though if you have to go to every single dungeon.
On top of that the reason WHY RFD Was put in A lot of people were having trouble finding groups four dungeons There were people joined the game that there was a lot of other people.
On those servers that well we’re just past that gearing point They were already in TOC AND ICC 10/25 So rfd was brought in To widen the player pool For heroics.
So yeah no there was plenty of people that liked RFD And there was plenty of people that didn’t But more people liked it than didn’t so no it was not a mistake.
I say #RFD and Make it cross faction and across server.
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The game was sold as no changes from Classic vanilla, the game was built around that games philosophy, we are now in wrath and they are changing things they knew they didnt want to be like they were originally, like RDF, which was clarified 3 years ago.
Except we’re not the same player base we were back in 2019 If classic wow has shown me anything The classic player base is just as divided if not more divided then retail is.
It’s the same concept as classic plus Everybody has their own take on what they want and don’t want to see in it And everybody thinks that they’re right.
TECHNICALLY it didn’t come until the icc patch, tho.
In what universe would adding RDF not be ok? It was a consideration from the beginning. They opted to go against it.
Just because something is ok, doesn’t mean it’ll be done.
I mean if you’re gonna go there Dual speck Wasn’t in tell Ulduar And I don’t know I remember it coming in during toc But you know it was in 2008 so you no.
But my Point is just because something didn’t get brought in until a certain time period Of the expansion doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be good for the game right now.
Rfd Help’s fresh level eighties get past the Gear score boss it’s sad the fact that technically classic and Dragonflight Are more casual friendly than wrath.
And it is that way because people are so parse/logs and Gear score picky You don’t need 4k Gear score to do a heroic But apparently you’re being carried unless you’re way past the gear level to do beginner content.
Rfd Does solve those issues At least to a degree because if you get pooted well at least you didn’t waste your time Traveling to the dungeon.
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And ? It’s STILL their game, they can change their minds based on feedback all they want . What they said then VS what they say now, does not change that fact.
That being said . I don’t understand the lack of RDF at this point either. Not having it causing far more problems than having it would . With THAT being said - RDF needs to be available ONLY for normal heroics and anything before. RDF does not belong with the heroic+ system.
C’mon blizz. I have alts I’d like to level using heirlooms, but can barely find one normal heroic group, let alone a spam for heroism emblems. I guess I can just continue to raid log until I decide it’s not worth maintaining a 20$ sub for 6 hours of weekly enjoyment . Impliment RDF for everything (vanilla-wrath) that isn’t considered current content( I consider heroic+ current content)
And before the naysayers come out of the woodwork… RDF being available for everything PRE heroic+, does not in ANY WAY affect your ability to get a group. The same can’t be said from the opposite perspective.
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Only the vocal minority in the forums are asking for RDF so in terms of listening to feedback, just cause RDF enjoyers wanted it doesnt mean its what is good for the game.
Most OG players are too busy socializing in game thats why they prefer to not have RDF.
Blizzard knows this, they already made a mistake the first time by implementing it, i highly doubt they are willing to make the same mistake again.
Implementing rdf is like killing classic’s main population. If you dont get why blizz dont want to kill their own game, then you might not be a sharp tool in the shed.
At this point I’m so jaded with WOTLK that I don’t care if it’s in or not. My sub is cancelled at this point and just waiting for that thing to expire. RDF might have kept me in the game since it’s a fun thing to do while leveling or mindlessly do when you have downtime but blizz said no so whatever. Honestly even putting in RDF at this point probably wouldn’t be enough to keep my interest. WOTLK is very boring. I really just want vanilla fresh
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Cuz both of em are wrong and bad for the game…
This is incorrect, currently they may want to diverge but it was not viewed as a mistake by the dev team at the time:
"To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didn’t have it when we first shipped, so it’s been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasn’t the number one thing I wanted in, but it’s definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. It’s actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didn’t put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didn’t use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature – we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if you’re on your own and just want to run something, so I don’t think it diminishes it at all" - Rob Pardo
Seems to imply that the devs wanted a MM style feature for a while and wrath was the time it was ready. Save your personal opinions as opinions, not objective fact as it stands that’s all your post is, opinion, not fact.
It’s also worth remembering that WoW was always the easy and accessible MMORPG when it was released. It’s added several quality of life changes that other MMO’s at the time did not have. There is a reason it had such a large audience and appeal to those not usually interested in MMO games.
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We’ve never agreed on much but I agree with you here.
I’ve also had long-time people I’ve played with for years quit in the last 3 months or so… and tell me to hit them up when fresh Classic comes out so we can play together again. Some of these people I didn’t expect to ever really see quit.
I think the Era population explosion on even the non-HC servers really points to something. SoM came out at a bad time. This is more the time for fresh Classic (Vanilla).
Now do I think it’s great that some people are still enjoying Wrath? Yes. Do I think that fresh Classic would be the same as 2019 or surpass the population of Wrath or even Cata Classic? No.
Anyway, I’m kind of glad I’m taking a break from the game. Summer is coming up and I live in a great area so spending lots of time at the local beaches with friends and family sounds great, but at the same time, we’re wanting the same thing, so here’s hoping for an announcement at some point.
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It’s been long enough since vanilla classic ended that people are open to the idea again. Also WOTLK definitely feels way more retailish compared to vanilla and tbc. I played all the way through TBC with no issues since it still felt like vanilla but upgraded. WOTLK was a huge turn off, did phase 1 and that’s it.
Relaunch of vanilla classic will not be as large as 2019, but I think we can still capture the same feeling since there will be less servers so the population will be more concentrated.
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IIRC, there was a dev interview back in OG wrath where they stated they originally intended for RDF to be in at launch but it wasn’t ready until 3.3. It floated around back during the WOTLK:C announcement when they said they weren’t doing RDF at launch.
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I posted an excerpt from that interview a few posts above yours. Was Rob Pardo being interviewed.
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