Is that kind of like how griefing isn’t actionable, but it’s still griefing?
You can choose to make the truth cuddly, any life coach worth their salt knows when to be brutally honest or when to make it cuddly.
No.
Doesn’t anyone read the support articles on this?
They are quite clear on it.
If you chose to create your character on a PvP realm, Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.
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We’re not debating whether or not it’s actionable by Blizzard. At least most of us aren’t. We’re arguing about whether or not you can consider certain behaviour as griefing even on a PvP realm. We know Blizzard wont do anything now.
Examples above such as being corpse camped 2v1 for 30 min while being spat on and laughed at via emote. (or those players that type text that translates into the opposite factions language as ‘U SUK’ or similar.
Some believe anything goes just because “PvP server”. Others think that there is a distinction between genuine PvP and player griefing.
Yeah because blizzard is totally gonna have a blue post about the few times some one actually greifed so hard they had to step in lol. Old player discussions are the best evidence you’re gonna get.
The kind of behavior being discussed is pvp, greifing, and also not actionable. Takes tens of hours or days before blizzard would step in back in the day. These days, they never would and it takes 3 days to get a GM response anyway lol.
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They don’t exist because it never happened.
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This was posted last year on the CS forums.
Corpse camping or otherwise participating in PvP, regardless of the level disparity, is still just PvP and we have no policies against it. If someone is flagged for PvP, in War Mode, etc… they are free game.
but Vrakthris said this:
There are situations in which we may intervene, but they tend to be rare and extremely conditional.
I know the blues have said, Blizzard defines griefing as “Doing something I don’t like”. I am Digging up the quotes right now.
This thread has a blue response about a player being camped for 4 days straight.
Blue response
Then there is this blue repsonse.
I’m not going to link them from my potato of a mobile phone. But I’ve read them before in one of the other posts about pvp vs greifing. They definitely exist lol.
All of this is why I do not play on PVP servers. I do not want to put up with being corpse camped or whatever because I picked a different faction or they don’t like my name or whatever the case may be that caused the corpse camping, and the thing is I don’t have to put up with it either… which is why I always pick PVE.
Anyways good luck to you.
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This is just speaking about Blizzard policy though, not what the actual meaning of griefing is. In the case you’ve linked, someone is clearly deliberately harassing another player repeatedly, using a stream to find them in game to kill them for days straight. That is literally the definition of griefing - a person going out of their way to harass and irritate someone else, and in the process ruining their gaming experience, while getting a kick out of it.
Just because Blizzard wont take action (because they don’t want to ban people for PvPing) it doesn’t make it any less griefing.
We’re just pointing out that, just because Blizzard wont take action against it, it doesn’t mean that it’s not griefing. There is a very clear distinction between PvP and griefing/player harassment - which is what we’re trying to point out. It’s not just “PvP server so it’s not griefing”. If someone goes out of their way to specifically harass you and ruin your experience while getting a high off it, they’re griefing regardless of whether or not it’s a PvP server.
Notice how they just refer to everything as a violation of their ToS - that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re just talking about the act of griefing, whether or not Blizzard recognises it.
(I do appreciate the links though - nice to see some of Blizzards reasoning) It’s interesting that they haven’t changed policy given how popular streaming is these days.
Griefing implies camping is against the rules. It isn’t.
Some people have been saying “Oh you can get into trouble for pvp griefing and excessive corpse camping” No one has actually shown an actual blue post or GM screenshot saying “Yes… this guy was corpse camping you and we put a stop to it.”
People have been implying that it is against policy when related to pvp. Call it whatever you want, Blizzard has their own opinion on the matter and that’s what they go by.
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Just like my willing suspension of disbelief.
Me on my 64 hunter and my friend a lvl 70 druid went and helped a random lvl 61 undead priest who was being camped by 3 dwarf hunters (62, 62, 63) in helfire
We didn’t know the priest and he wasn’t in our guild but he asked for help in general chat because the alliance was corpse camping him. So we went and killed them for about half an hour until they spirit rezed.
We grieffed them because they were grieffing someone else.
The hunters were bad as well, they had no real understanding of their class. I also don’t feel bad about camping them because they started it.
Anyway happy hunting!
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Christ.
You’ve done it now. I’m going to gank the hell out of the alliance between queues now.
What’s your level OP, I’ll come looking.
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It isn’t, MOST of the time. But there are cases where blizzard will intervene. It depends on the extent of the greifing. People are getting too hung up on the definition. The truth is YES it’s still greifing lol it just has to be an extreme case to be actionable.
For instance if you targeted a single player and camped them constantly for days, you might get blizzards attention. But it has to be really extreme.
See google results for “greifing definition”
It doesn’t imply that though? I don’t think anyone here has implied that camping is against the rules. It doesn’t mean it can’t be griefing though, whether it’s actionable or not. That’s the distinction we’re trying to make.
Yeah Rabid, it’s their game their rules, of course. No question about it. Like I said though, it doesn’t mean it’s not griefing, it just means Blizzard wont take action regardless. Personally, I haven’t been talking about the Blizzard ToS and what they take action against. Literally just talking about the behaviour of players.
I agree with you, the people saying you can get into trouble for it are wrong. I wasn’t around in Vanilla, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they did back then for certain cases. They were a lot more involved with their own game back then as GMs.
You know what doesn’t exist? Your ability to leave these forums kekw
There are, literally, multiple blue posts quoted a few spots above your post saying that they will NOT stop someone from doing this.
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And no one so far has shown that this actually happened.