I’m fine with a difficulty increase in delves .
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I just want challenging solo content. So if I’m having trouble finding a key I want I can still do something that will have an effect on my gear. Trading 90 runed for 15 gilded isn’t efficient, but when the other option is waiting around for hours to get a group in a key I want then it’s worth it for that single upgrade to my gear. Because while waiting around I’m getting no upgrades to my gear.
Obtaining higher quality gear SHOULD be gated behind the hardest content. Mythic Keys for dungeoners, heroic/mythic Raids for raiders, and maps for delves. As long as it is made clear you are going into harder content, even a solo delve can be scaled to challenge a players knowledge of their class. The Mage Tower proved that. Will it be easier for some, of course. But at least that leaves the “Super Casuals” with a class or two they can play and still do Maps. Unless Delves are going to take the place of Mythic (they COULD but it isn’t likely) then Blizz just needs some time to work out scaling kinks so they are challenging for solo runners without be devastatingly punishing. Same thing happened with raids, and Keys. Calm down, take a breathe, and remember no game or system in a game will launch perfectly. There will always be hiccups and bugs to iron out. Relax and just do what you enjoy doing for now. If delves aren’t for you wait until Tuesday or 11.1 and try them again, see if they are scaled better to be fun for ya. If you’re not interested in doing delves then I have to ask why post in the first place then.
Good Luck and Have Fun in your adventures friend 
I’d be fine with a moderate difficulty change for delves. I’d also be fine with more “challenge mode” (IE higher tiers with the same power rewards but cosmetics, titles, achievements, etc.) stuff.
I really don’t think most people would have a problem with it but some folks are a tad unreasonable about it. Such as folks that think heroic vault should be pushed back all the way to T11.
I mean…
There have been 2.5k IO players demanding myth track gear from delves as well lol.
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Yeah that’s not a delver only thing and I’d be entirely lacking in surprise if a lot of unrealistic delve requests are astroturfed to begin with.
Recently there was a thread about T8s being so difficult that they only cater to the 1%. From someone that also complains about the difficulty of LFR.
And that person is almost 100% likely to be the alt of some 3k player trolling for kicks.
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More replayability, more things to do in general.
It feels like torghast, but worse.
Also brann is horrible, get rid of him and instead make the player character stronger.
Actually I think torghast would be a better basis for future iterations than delves are.
I see a lot of “OMG Difficulty”
so I gave a bit of a test on some alts.
the amount of peopel who are going into T8 while undergeared is amazing.
Gearing under 600 scales insanely. 590 is several hundred thousand DPS and defense less than 600. Something that’s one shotting you in 590 gear might barely scratch you in 600, and is ignorable in 610.
But so many players in this game feel entitled that they should be able to run the highest difficulty and that they’e r"Skilled" enough to make up those differences.
At some point. No skill is overcoming the math built into the game.
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I mean that’s the entire appeal of M+ for some. It’s the only reason people go beyond 10s. So they can try to find out when skill meets a math wall.
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No one is making you do that but yourself. If you lack the self control to not do stuff that is distasteful to you, seek professional help. The fact that M+ exists makes raiders feel they have to do them. Get rid of M+ and there will be no feelings of duty to do unpleasant things.
I mostly quest in east kingdom. The fact that kalimdor exists makes me feel like I have to quest there. Please remove it so it doesnt feel mandatory!
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Yup, that’s it really.
I have more fun facesmashing things in Torghast, even now, than dealing with CC and damage sponges in Delves, which are really just overtuned (HP wise) mini one boss dungeons TBQH.
Could add tokens to level up Delve gear even further instead of relying on raids and Mythic+, also could add +3 to bountiful gear while leaving vault at its current 616. That would keep the Delve grp out of pugs which might settle down the M+ grp (prob not though lol)
Only issue I see with this with that is blizzard would actually have to commit actual time to proper scaling and balancing which they wont do…
I would say most people are fine with non power rewards. cosmetics, titles, achievements being added.
I think the people seriously asking for this are a tiny minority of players on the forums. Which is already a tiny minority of players.
I feel I have been pretty supportive of delves since day 1.
It just feels like this “one bad apple ruins a bunch” philosophy is a one way street.
I mean I don’t think I said anything about M+ers as a group wanting delve rewards pushed back to T11. I just said some people are unreasonable about where they want delve progression situated.
I find the entire discourse involving “delvers, M+ers, and raiders” as these diametrically opposed groups to be pretty dumb.
Dumb people make dumb requests. Content modes don’t.
Fwiw my main is 2.2k IO. I wouldn’t call myself an “M+er” though because I try to just play what I enjoy. But can I call myself a “delver” either?
If not, why would anything I say be seen as “delvers asking for” something?
Nobody is forcing you to do delves. It is your own desire for gear that makes you do it. If you dislike a part of the game DON’T do it simple as that.
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…and yet you choose to do it, that’s on you, not the game.
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What I want are for mega-dungeon style solo dungeon crawls.
Increase all the stories inside a singular delve and stretch it out. Add in more class fantasy style encounters as well.
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This isn’t a horrible idea Grizzle. I dig it.
Perhaps adding “group” achievements to delves alongside the solo ones we have is another thing that could be explored.
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Best idea I have read in a long time.
Most people like them. Its just a small sect of toxic Mythic players who dislike them. They would prefer a captive audience that carries them, else they would do Delves as well; but for their lack of skill. Those people as a result scream about the equipment being too strong, want it to be labeled in it’s own tier like “LFR” and other inane things. It’s all about trying to justify that their time is more valuable than other players. Seen their kind for 20 years now. Same people that screamed like infants that Tier 0 was a thing… IE: “Filthy Casuals don’t NEED EPICZ!!1!!”
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Wait, so you don’t raid to fill the other three slots for nine total vault chances?
And why not?
Is raiding existing not an issue for your lack of self-control as well?
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