We need range Survival Hunters back

Classes Hunter
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Prior to Cata, during mid-late WotLK I was MM and before that, BM.

But once I decided to check out that SV spec in the Cata pre-patch…
It was a really fun playstyle indeed!

I know many players who prefers to play as a hunter without a pet. For varying reasons ofc.

If we see a return of ranged SV and it has the option for Lone Wolf, as well as an option to rely a little more on a pet. I would be more than OK with it.

Even though I did not particularly enjoy the talent design we had during both MoP and WoD, we still had ranged SV and that core playstyle was still enjoyable despite us not having any additional options to build on it.

But compare those iterations to how specs are designed today, it would not be enough to just re-add an old version.

This is not directly about your comment there. Just that I see several posters that continues to claim that we don’t need a 4th spec for ranged SV. We can just get it through MM.

The thing is, most of us aren’t opting for playing current MM but with a few of the old RSV mechanics. We’re after the old RSV.
We’re after it’s core design combined with the subtleties that made it so great.

And since more recent design changes to classes overall would allow us to embrace that fantasy even more so. It makes even less sence to add in a select few abilities into MM.

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1271

I primarily play MSV and I love the spec as well

Only thing I would like the add are 1) better Aoe from Carve 2) a filler between MB and KC and 3) buff the dps cd

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1273

You know what else is not played often? Dwarves. Should we remove them too?

I’m leveling a Survival Hunter alt right now and having a blast as melee. Screw ranged survival, I hope Blizz never brings it back.

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1275

If blizz took all Blood Elves, and one day converted them to “Blood” Dwarves, then yes, I would say they should be removed from the game, and the Blood Elves should be restored. Even if a tiny percentage of the players loved “Blood” Dwarves, I would argue it was not fair to those who selected Blood Elves to start with and then had it taken away.

If they added something new without screwing over the existing player-base, then fine.

Glad you are having fun with an alt at the expense of all of us who lost our mains

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1276

That was what Legion’s version of MSV, alway some ability to use. Had no down time between attacks. AOE I like butchery does insane damage, just need to have all the mobs piled up on you.

Apples to Oranges.

That nice but your fun came at someone elses expense. If there is a issue with talking ill on one version of SV then how is it fair when someone does the same to the otherside.

What benefits does someone gets when they bash on the other side for liking RSV or liking MSV?

MSV is still one of the bottom played specs; however, you can focus on that or you can just play the spec and enjoy yourself.

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1277

there’s a difference between the people saying stuff though. On one side is people who currently have what they want and (thus far) its not going anywhere. Most of their statements are (and tend to be) a reaction to people wanting (and not nicely) their spec removed.

On the other side is people who are looking to get what they want restored. Regardless of whether:

not the more people you have on your side and you can persuade the more likely your cause and blight is to get seen, heard and acknowledged. Being needlessly rude, snarky and PA does not achieve this.

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If you want a fourth spec that plays similar to what old survival was then fine. But it won’t be name survival and it won’t necessarily have similar tool kit.

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1279

There will be some differences to nuances and depth(more added now) yes. Simply because of the changes to spec design as a whole with Legion.

Though the core and the more liked, more frequently requested nuances/subtleties can deff be brought in.

If it was up to me, I would do this:

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Another person who occasionally plays a Hunter as an alt lording over the class and demanding special treatment over actual Hunter mains.

What else is new.

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1281

“the more people you have on your side and you can persuade the more likely your cause and blight is to get seen, heard and acknowledged. Being needlessly rude, snarky and PA does not achieve this.”

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Can you take a minute to learn the difference between “blight” and “plight”? Thanks.

For example: one can be insensitive to the PLIGHT of ranged Survival and be a BLIGHT on the Hunter forums.

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1283

Once you take a minute to learn the different between persuasion and needless aggression.

Thanks

PS. Range survival is still in the garbo.

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1284

Everyone has a opinion and even a majority shares a view it does not make the options of a individual any less of value.

Opinions don’t have to be based upon logic they can be derived from emotions, preferences, experience or all sorts of other variables.

It might sometimes be impossible to come to terms with someone’s thoughts in an argument, so how do we counter this?

To show respect to what the other party says, it is always better to agree to disagree, which means to say that “I am firm at my viewpoint and cannot accept your stance, but that doesn’t mean that what you state is wrong, lets make peace while we keep our thoughts to over selves and move on”.

Another poster named Malwares wrote a post about a concept for Survival *DETAILED CONCEPT* Ranged Survival / Ranger / Wilderness / Forester, they had some great ideas; however, they became quickly berried under trash talking between the two sides of Survival.

Malwares stated that their concept was not about retail, and asked the posters to stop, but it kept being pushed back to the topic of which side deserved to remain.

I made this post not to argue which side has more merit. It was to bring the attention that raids require AOE that can easily move between targets, which RSV could have brought if it was brought back.

The point was to think of ways it could return without having to make another sacrifice. To learn to accept other people’s points of view, choices or beliefs without taking it personal.

Sometimes you can ask that person questions in regard to their opinion that might help you to understand it better. You still don’t have to agree with them but at least you’ll understand their logic compared to your own.

If it’s so conflicting with your beliefs to the point that it bothers you to be around that person then you have a choice not to read anything else.

You do not have the power to force or pressure them to change it. Also, giving respect to your fellow posters means you do not ridicule their opinions either.

Remember what has already happened cannot be changed, only Blizzard has that power, so bickering back and forth with another poster who can not change anything defeats the purpose of this post. It is better to forget it and concentrate on what is going on now. Keep focused on what is happening now.

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i agree. everyone is entitled to their opinion, so long as those opinions do not contain any facts, yes. However when it comes to the topic at hand, there is one side wanting something from others, that will not be accomplished if ranged survival hunters continue to be needlessly rude and snarky to everyone else. this same thing has happened to frost DKs and their topic of getting back using 2 handers.

Yup. Beeples went in there and completely derailed that topic and he does if he feels threaten by any comment, or in that case, question about specs. take that up with him.

I support how you are now going about the topic but i’m still seeing some snark and thus why I keep mentioning my before stated statement.

Exactly. Hopefully Beeples uses you and Ghorak as example at how to get back your spec. If not, i feel like you’re doom to be without it as long as people like him are blabbering about.

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Rant inc!

Agreed.

I keep coming back to one of my original posts on this forum.

We(most players) did not advocate in favor of giving the class a melee spec.
The decision to add that spec, was almost entirely on the devs. They have even stated that they did not design MSV with current Hunters in mind(for the most part), but for new Hunters who would prefer that style along with perhaps other existing players who haven’t tried the class due to it being essentially a purely ranged class.

This tells me that the argument people are still having regarding the topic of MSV vs. RSV and which one should actually be a part of the class.

This tells me that there is no point in having such a discussion/argument.
If players have opinions about current MSV and how to improve it’s intended theme/fantasy as a melee spec, that’s all good. But any arguments/petitions to revert it back to ranged, I would say are wasted at this point.

And yes sure, in the past, the melee aspects of the Hunter class were essentially serving as minor additions rather than being core functions for most of our gameplay. By intent. We only had them as the devs thought Hunters should have a minimum firing range for our regular weapons.

But with the change in spec design and in philosophies, nowadays, it does make sense to have a pure melee-option for the class.

However…

Just because the concept of melee-combat caters to parts of the general Hunter fantasy in the game as a whole, this does not mean that it’s justified to remove existing fantasies/specs from the class to make room for that new concept.
Still, they(devs) did exactly this when they removed our ranged SV spec.

So…what would be the easiest and most reasonable option to give us back that ranged SV spec? You guessed it: A 4th spec option!

It is precisely because of the above that it is now justified to give the Hunter class a 4th spec option. Because of how the devs have gone by developing the class, giving us that 4th fantasy. That fantasy being the melee concept.

If they(devs) want to add a new concept to the class. Fine. But for the love
of — , DO NOT take away what we already have just to make room for it!

And also —, DO NOT try to justify that which they did, by stating that this prior fantasy had nowhere to go. That it wasn’t unique. That it did not have it’s own niche.
Anyone saying that, did/does not actually know what RSV was about. Period.

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1293

You can say the same for MSV hunter namely Kindwolf, who has posted just to get Bepples to bite.

Every poster has the right to express their options even if you disagree with them, but to use your statements to just toll is not acceptable behavior.

I have kept a neutral ground with posters, if any of those readied snarky then it just an error in communication. Disagreeing with someone does not mean they are attacking you. When a poster makes an abusive remark on or relating to someone’s statement instead of providing evidence when examining another person’s claims or comments is a personal attack and should not be allowed.

Not necessarily, forums are made for discussing topics with like-minded people, but every once in a while, a troll will come in and start spewing negative words all over the place. If forum moderators don’t ban them, other members will often respond and before you know it, the thread gets thrown completely off topic and becomes nothing but one big pointless argument.

If a troll tries to provoke you, just ignore them. They’re not worth your time or emotional distress. Try not to take anything personally and remind yourself that their bad behavior does not change who you are.

Yes, MSV is here to stay but that does not mean we all have to just accept it and move on. We can still disgust, in a civilized way, how RSV could be returned.

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You can. I personally have yet to seen him comment on anything since i’ve been around though.

We sure do. those of you seeking to get something from the rest of us should be doing so much more nicely is the point.

You told someone they needed to learn how to read…

Yes, necessarily. As ive stated before, i don’t know of any person with any ounce of self-respect who is going to positively respond to people wanting something and going about it in a rude, PA way.

We should be able to. But as long as people like Beeple continue to push fellow hunters (and people who have any self-respect) to the opposite side of the fence, range survival will not see the light of day ever again.

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Here’s why tone policing still won’t work:

No one who supports ranged SV is going to take posting advice from someone who actively doesn’t want it to happen.

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1297

The only one who actively doesn’t want it to happen is you at this point. That’s exactly why go about things so rudely.

You will continue to go without until you act accordingly and that’s that.

Periodt.

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Then let me say in another way, “please reread the following, as I have said that loosing MSV is not the goal of this post”. It is sometimes just much fast if you get to the point than to explain all of it.

Then it would be in best health to just skim over Bepples and focus on the next poster.

Telling Bepples to “act accordingly” will only encourage them more to respond with more harsh words. Why not just put them on ignore?

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