Unofficial Sethrak Discussion Thread 🐍

Grayphus-nemesis · July 23, 2019, 9:34pm

Great idea! Maybe if we use reverse psychology, Blizzard doesn’t invent something different?
The worst that can happen is that they give us another horse!
Or, centaurs!

Shau-wyrmrest-accord · July 23, 2019, 11:09pm

I took one look at Saurok and said “Yeah, I’d play that in a heartbeat”.

Do Saurok have any ground to stand on as a player race? Even an AR? I mean Void Elves came out of nowhere and nobody thought we’d ever see Worgen (up until Cata they’e pretty much always been near-mindless monsters) as a playable race in the early days and yet here we are.

I’d kill for any one of or combination of Sethrak, Saurok, or Naga.

GIVE ME REPTILES

Bagzak-rexxar · July 23, 2019, 11:17pm

Well, we’ve discussed it in my Saurok Megathread and while it is an uphill battle, something could be worked out. After all, Gilgoblins were just angry male-only mooks that hated everyone and cared only for treasure and now they’re a candidate for an allied race with a female model and more personality than before. Recently, I found a tribe that has some form of honor mentioned in-game, so they’re capable of being more than “RAWR I am angry and eat everything! Slaughter the weak! RAWR!”

I wouldn’t expect them anytime soon, but some support is better than none, in my opinion.

Shau-wyrmrest-accord · July 23, 2019, 11:22pm

A good thread! I’d love these guys, or Sethrak.

Naga seem like they’ve always been pretty evil. Plus, if any new race should be introduced as a Core Race, it’d be the Naga, for how important they are to Warcraft lore and how unique they are in culture and physiology.

I’d be down for any of the three and probably would not make anything else. Warcraft is long overdue for lizardmen.

Bagzak-rexxar · July 23, 2019, 11:41pm

There is no reason why we couldn’t get both Sethrak and Saurok. They’re both different from each other, both in culture and in looks, and they would have interesting storylines that lead up to them being playable.

Naga have been a wanted race of mine, though as time went on as I played this game, I found other races I wanted more. Still, I would be interested in them if they ever got to be playable.

In terms of new core races, Ogres on the Horde are my most wanted race and I feel like they might benefit more as a core race as opposed to an allied race, but would be fine with them as an allied race. I’ve talked about them at length in the Ogre megathread if anyone is particularly interested.

Very much agree with this, and this was an inspiration for making my Saurok megathread.

Zaela-runetotem · July 23, 2019, 11:56pm

Saurok are actually pretty viable because they have a viable player skeleton. Yeah, it would need animations and armor riggings added, but the skeleton is compatible with those things.

Naga on the other hand, do not have a functional player skeleton. A lot of work would have to be done, and really, the main problem is likely the legs and feet slots. Would those just get ignored? Would they have massively different models to adapt? Look at other beast races like Draenei and Tauren. Many feet appearances are just non existent.

Shau-wyrmrest-accord · July 24, 2019, 12:00am

You’re right, hence why Playable Naga would be a new Core Race and not an Allied Race. Chances are they’d never be playable for that reason, with the legged Sethrak being the answer to that.

Edit: Also, you’re right about Saurok. Where as Sethrak seem to be heavily modified female Worgen, Saurok are very clearly based off Male Worgen. And female Saurok, at least according to Hearthstone, look identical to males except for (of course) breasts.

Yvenathilm-fenris · July 25, 2019, 2:31am

Has anyone noticed how the Sethrak Society is disturbingly similar to the Arakkoa/Skeksis in visual appearance? Even the Male Bad Guy of the Sethrak and Arakkoa Races sound the same.

Who is Eternal Emperor Korthek/Shadow-Sage Iskar’s Voice Actor anyways? He sounds suave and cunning… The perfect villain for an animated TV Series…

Schreiber-wyrmrest-accord · July 29, 2019, 2:04am

So, with 8.2.5 possibly coming to the PTR this Tuesday (or next week or the week after that), what are your hopes and expectations for the story?

It’s worth noting that goblins and worgen are due to get new models, and with vulpera and sethrak based off both races, it’s possible we might see some more updates to those races too.

It seems unlikely we’ll get much to speculate over regarding sethrak in 8.2.5, though. We’ll probably get another chapter of the war campaign, and see some continuation to the stories in Mechagon and Nazjatar, but I can’t imagine we’ll get much more than that.

Still, with N’Zoth on the loose, maybe it’s not entirely out of the question we see the Devoted again?

Aaku-zuljin · July 29, 2019, 2:12am

At this point I think the best thing we can hope for is Mechagnomes being added in 8.2.5. That would at least leave the possibility of something better in 8.3+.

If Mechagnomes aren’t added until 8.3 or 8.3.5 they will more than likely be the last allied race, at least in BFA (and there’s no guarantee they’ll continue doing allied races in future expansions).

Schreiber-wyrmrest-accord · July 29, 2019, 3:47am

I’ll be pretty surprised if we get any new allied races revealed before Blizzcon.

Mechagnomes and vulpera seem obvious, but I dearly hope they’re not the only two we get when they do have something to announce.

The way 7.3.5 gave us 4 races to tide us over until 8.0 is something I’m hoping they choose to repeat for the lead-in to 9.0.

Relart-amanthul · July 29, 2019, 1:47pm

Pretty sure it’ll be Gilgoblins paired with Mechagnomes given they have much more player detail in them due to being a literal copy and past race like the Junkergnomes are (seriously can we stop we Mechagnomes? thats the literal Machine ones in Northrend).

Zaela-runetotem · July 29, 2019, 4:00pm

I agree, it bothers me so much when people refer to these junker gnomes as Mechagnomes. Mechagnomes are cool robots, junker gnomes are boring amputees. I would much rather have actual legit Mechagnomes as a playable race than junker gnomes, even if the customization was limited to a few colors and mustache models. But even in mechagon, the prince dude refers to his people as Mechagnomes. I’m upset at blizzard for putting that in there.

Schreiber-wyrmrest-accord · July 31, 2019, 1:44am

I called them junker gnomes until the game itself kept mixing it up, yeah. Mechagnomes has a better ring to it, so I can’t blame them for preferring that name, but it’s still annoying.

Nythi-zuljin · July 31, 2019, 3:58am

YES PLEASE

Schreiber-wyrmrest-accord · August 7, 2019, 1:40am

It doesn’t mean anything, but the SethrakMelee model got some minor work done under the hood. That’s the same model that player character capes and tabard geosets appeared on randomly back in beta. The SethrakCaster didn’t get modified in any way.

For a race we’re supposed to quickly forget, the sethrak models sure have gotten a lot of curious tweaks and work done to them over the course of beta and now. No, they don’t support player armor or have eyeballs, so there’s no guarantee they’re planned to be playable, but it’s interesting anyway.

I’d bet it has something to do with the worgen rework, since sethrak share an origin with female worgen.

Echab-zuljin · August 7, 2019, 12:32pm

Since every AR has been tied to rep, including rep you have to grind in a previous expansion along with everything else in game tied to rep, I don’t see the devs rep fetish changing anytime soon

Grayphus-nemesis · August 9, 2019, 9:03pm

If a reputation is tied to sethraks, it could be something like what was made for void elves, which has its unlocking done in Argus!

I would prefer that they use some other method like a chain quest or a scenario!

Well, we must be optimistic that something that requires less grind and more quests is imagined for new races!

And may the new races also include sethraks!
It would be a waste to see something like sethraks abandoned forever!

Konkka-wyrmrest-accord · August 11, 2019, 2:37am

Sethrak are extremely similar to both Worgen and Draenei. I think it’s laughable they say they’re closer to the Zandalari.

Asotcha-azjolnerub · August 11, 2019, 2:43am

Awhile back, Rorrand did a really interesting study of three (technically four) races ingame: the Tortollans, Sethrak, and Jinyu/Ankoan. He was using a macro to check the npcs to see if the game would identify them as male/female, neutral, or unknown.

This is what he discovered from checking the Sethrak; if you expand the quote, you get the full context and his other results as well. Its interesting.

The Ankoan and Jinyu Race Discussion Thread

The sethrak cast of NPCs is very small, but suffice it to say that Vorrik came back with a male value. Additionally, every sethrak npc at the Terrace of the Devoted with a voice line, such as those that guard the entrances, similarly had a gender value that matched masculinity or femininity of their voices. But here’s the really interesting thing; there are a whole bunch of sethrak vendors inside the terrace itself that have no voice lines whatsoever; you click them, you buy from them, and yet they remain totally silent. Yet still none of them returned a “neutral or unknown” value of their gender table, which would have indicated a lack of importance for that value in their situations. Yet they too had a nice healthy mix of males and females, even though there’s no way to otherwise detect that in a player’s experience. Even the hostile “faithless” sethrak currently at war with the devoted just outside the terrace have specific male or female gender values. While the tortollans had a few individuals that returned the third gender value, the one and only sethrak that did so was the avatar of sethraliss, and lorewise that sort of makes sense. This means that, thus far, the Sethrak, even moreso than the tortollans, are a race that is specifically coded to have two distinct genders, although the models they use don’t necessarily represent that.