You might consider that, but there are people who believe that because they are devoted to a loa, they are closer to zandalars.
As if night elves were closer to humans and draeneis, because of their religious beliefs!
But zandalars worship many loas and sethraks only bow to Sethraliss
And even if Sethraliss attends to other devotees of other races, his fondness for his own children is very obvious!
Well, while Alliance can expect nothing from sethraks for the present or future, I still would very much like to see this breed as usable for players, even if itâs in the horde! Sethraks are a unique looking breed and add more race diversity to the game! that would be great!
Their story have a lot of parallels Draenei yes, but I fail to see how theyâre extremely similar to the worgen?
We could also make comparisons to the Zandalari: Both are lead by a priest with very strong connection to the Loa, both suffered heavily from an internal conflict that almost destroyed their factions, both of their evil factions dealt with bad old god Ghâuun stuff.
Also, Iâd argue that the race they have the closest relationship with currently is the zandalari. Shared common history as allies and worshippers of Sethraliss. Even if you donât count that old history due to their long break as being active allies with each other after the trolls left Volâdun, due to it becoming too harsh to live in after Sethraliss death. Due to how the horde and zandalari helped push back the faithless and rescue Sethraliss.
You seem to only focus on how they worship and ignore what the factions have done for them, shared common history, etc.
Draenei worship the light and many Naaru.
the night elves worship Elune and others, Elune is actually in a pantheon of gods in Kaldorei worship, just that she overshadows them so much and it havenât been expanded on except mentioned in lore. And they also revere and worship the ancient wild gods to boot.
How is that closer to the Sethrak worship than zandalari trolls literally worshipping the very same loa the sethrak worship?
Itâs not uncommon for zandalari to devote themselves to one loa either.
Currently with the story we have theyâre closer to the horde due to their involvement in Volâdun and especially Zandalari. That can change however if blizz wish it to be.
The Sethrak are monotheistic. The Zandalari worship whatever they want. Talanji is a runt, and they switched Loaâs without much issue. Vorrick would never agree to such a thing.
Sethrak never dealed with Ghuun or the Blood Trolls directly. Their main issue was Mythrax, who served Ghuun moreso of his desire to weaken the world for the other old gods than the mindless slug.
An internal conflict within their race puts them more in line with the Draenei. The Blood Trolls are far, far removed from the Zandalari. Faithless are more similar to Naga/Manâari than they are mindless blood god cultists.
Theyâre hardly close with the Zandalari. Maybe in ancient times. But nowadays, what are Sethrak known for? Helping assault Zuldazar and freeing Ghuun. I donât see any shrines to Sethraliss in Zuldazar. The Horde (as they usually do) screwed up horribly in preventing things from happening. They let Vorrik be kidnapped(again), and let Jakraâzet yeet himself into the old god pit.
I have literally seen 0 Zandalari worshipping her. Or even acknowledging that she exists. Iâm not fighting Sethraliss lightningmancers in Zuldazar or Volâdun.
Talanji is young yes but sheâs an exponential priest with an unusual deep connection to the loa. You also say that Vorrik would never agree with switching loa and I assume you mean worshipping many different ones? Because weâve never seen him be hostile to others just because they didnât worship Sethraliss or just one loa.
If anything the zandalari have always been a race that revere and worship many loa and yet they lived and allied just fine back in the day before Volâdun became a desert. Itâs not like the horde or zandalari are trying to convert the devoted or force them to worship many loa. So Iâd imagine itâs fine in the eyes of the devoted.
Well, the faithless sethrak did deal with the blood trolls, so sure the devoted didnât deal with the blood trolls directly but they did deal with troll followers of Ghâuun
which are in league with the faithless.
Also the reason Mythrax follow or aid Ghâuun is not relevant in this context as the outcome is the same, theyâre allies and on the same side which is a threat to both the sethrak and the zandalari.
The followers of Ghâuun are not just blood trolls, theyâve infiltrated the empire and thereâs many regular trolls in the empire that started following him and the corruption goes as far up as to the old zanchuli council.
Yes, theyâve not been close at all for millennia, the faithless being hostile to everyone for who knows how long didnât help either. However sethrak live long lives and should remember that they used to be old allies and itâs very possible. We now know that itâs spoken about friendly sethrak that want peace in the zandalari empire as well. We even have a sethrak vendor and a priest of Sethraliss in Dazarâalor which appear after if youâve completed the Volâdun questline on horde.
And yes thereâs no shrine to her because sheâs been dead for 16k years Iâd imagine.
Yes the horde did fail in preventing the resurrection of Mythrax but to be fair they did everything in their power with the manpower they had. They also saved Sethraliss and dealt a fatal blow to the faithless empire. The horde also fix their mess by ending the threat once and for all in Uldir.
Also, I would not blame Vorrik getting kidnapped on either faction, but if I did it would most certainly not be on the horde. The alliance meet the devoted first, save Vorrik and repel the faithless attack and then they leave and donât care about the devoted anymore apparently. When the horde arrive and meet Vorrik for their first time the faithless have already attacked again and captured Vorrik. So if anything itâs the alliance that didnât do anything after theyâve learned of the devoted.
No we havenât seen any in game but it should not take long as the zandalari is all about the loa, it should just be a matter of time before some start following her as their main loa.
The very fact that the priest of Sethraliss is allowed into Dazarâalor and to be with the other loa priests, even at the very coronation of Talanji is recognition.
Also Rakera which helped the player and the devoted in Volâdun is now on the Zanchuli council and she says " Were it not for the mercy of Sethraliss, I doubt we would have made it out of AtulâAman alive.".
This is even before her ressurrection so clearly the devoted have rubbed off on her.
Sheâs more similar to Anduin, than she is Vorrik. Velen shares more in common with him.
Again. The Faithless are more similar to Manâari than they are Blood God Cultists. The Faithless arenât worshipping him, or bowing. They just see Mythrax and all of that as a tool to be used. Compared to the Zandalari kowtowing to the Blood Slug.
Uh oh, a single vendor! I guess Alliance should get Tuskarr because thereâs one in Boralus. I thought the Zandalari would keep shrines up for Loa. Rezan is dead, but he still has an entire temple and followers. The Nelves kept revering their wild gods after death, the Zandalari donât. Sethrak fit the Alliance far more than they do the Horde, culturally.
The Alliance saved Vorrik and saved the temple easily enough. If they were on Zandalar in force, they could have done the exact same and probably better than the Horde. Alliance helped the Nightborne a ton in Suramar, but they went Horde due to similarities with Blood Elves. Same thing will happen if they become an allied race. They wonât join the horde due to said differences.
I agree with that actually, that his story have more parallels with Velens. but as I said before, just becuse thereâs parallels does not automatically mean they will get along. Although I think Velen and Vorrik would in this case get along but thatâs not due to their similar backstory.
Sure a single vendor is not much on itâs own, but you have to put it into the context that the vendor and another sethrak npc appear after the devoted got aid from the zandalari which would signify that theyâve started to interact on friendly terms again and that the priest is not a single one off sethrak.
The zandalari do also keep worshipping dead loa and revere them as they believe that loa can be reborn. However Sethraliss was gone for 16k years, which is quite a long time and itâs not strange that the trolls slowly stopped actively worshipping her, we know from archeology that at least some trolls kept worshipping her when Volâdun had transformed into a desert, not sure when they disappeared though.
Also, I think they culturally do fit more into the horde if you look at their belief system and common history. However, they would bring a lot more spice to the alliance if they joined them. Itâs possible but itâs just that I donât see them go that way without more story pushing them away from the horde and zandalari.
Yes, the alliance did save Vorrik and the terrace easily enough, and they actually have a larger force in Volâdun than the horde at that time, just look at the harbour itâs a massive foothold with a lot of soldiers. So yes they could have done the same and even better Iâm sure, they had more men and resources than the horde did, but in the end, they didnât help the devoted anymore after making their foothold and the horde had to save the devoted instead.
Yes the alliance did help a lot in Surumar, both factions helped equally there which is not the case here. And even then the nightborne wanted to ally firstmost with their ancient kin the night elves, and only went to join the belves after they realized that the night elves wanted nothing to do with them while the belves welcomed them.
They would get along precisely because of that. Theyâre the same story, told differently.
They donât at all, the Horde is filled with former slave races and species banding together for survival. The Sethrak were never slaves, or being hunted to extinction. Theyâre a proud, ancient, civilized race brought low from an internal conflict. Look at the Kalâdorei, The Draenei, The dwarves and the WoTH, Gnomes and the nuking of Gnomeregan, Humans and the Scourge.
Like the lionâs share of Alliance races, their greatest threat rose from within. The only thing the Sethrak share in common with the Horde, is that they worship a single loa, and that they were close to Zandalar in times gone by.
Except Wyrmbane explicitly states that the Alliance may need to rely upon them again. If the game is going to be scaled correctly, Shatterstone is a decent ways away from the Temple. The devoted probably did send a courier, or try to, before the Horde showed up.
âHey, you all secluded yourselves and didnât help in the war against Azshara and the Legion. How do I know you wonât turn your backs on us and become the next Elisande, or Azshara?â
âWe will destroy the Nightwell and the Legion, and after that, we will see if Elune thinks it pertinentâ
Immediately sides with the Belves and helps burn down Teldrassil
The Nightborne are just purple Blood Elves. Theyâre as arrogant and vain, theyâd never fit on the Alliance.
Having the most similar backstory is not everything. Shared history and relations are more important.
The sethrak were never slaves but the devoted faction of the sethrak was being hunted to extinction as the terrace is the last hold out for them.
betrayal and internal conflict is not unique to the alliance, the nightborne, orcs, zandalari and tauren all experienced betrayal and internal fighting.
Sure itâs possible but it does not change the fact that the horde saved them and the alliance did nothing.
I agree that they are arrogant and vain. However they didnât actually take part in the burning of Teldrassil and Tyrande made it very clear she didnât care for the nightborne in how she spoke to them and itâs more than her just asking her if sheâs the next Elisandre.
As a point of clarification, Sethraliss actually does show up as one of the loa overseeing Talanjiâs trial for the throne in the Zandalari unlock scenario. While itâs true that there are no shrines to Sethraliss or overt worshippers anywhere in Zuldazar, itâs clear that sheâs still part of the overall loa pantheon.
In any case, at least there is a chance that sethraks are a playable race, since Sethraliss participates in the pantheon of Loas, even if only in the horde!
How about the alliance?
Just invent a new horse or something shameful! Pygmies?
No one cares much about the alliance to try to think of something remarkable!
Hey, to each their own. Iâm hoping for sethrak too, regardless of faction, but as an Alliance loyalist Iâve been pretty happy with British pirates, wicker druids, and little cyborgs.
If someoneâs genuinely envious of the Horde, then maybe they need to grapple with the fact that what they really want is to just switch over to Horde. Alliance has been getting pretty cool stuff too.
Better hope they are on horde, as we can only hope for things like kultiras and gnomes made from saved parts, it is not in the alliance that they will waste anything remarkable! Horses!
It is not jealousy but disgust to always take the tampered version of something or something given as a consolation prize!
And for me, kultiras and and junkgnomes are the very little that could be done and what comes at the worst time!
Really does sound like youâd just be a lot happier over on the Horde, then. I donât think âdisgustâ is ever something you should be feeling over a factionâs features in a video game.
