Twinks are now just leaving BGs early

[Weap-hakkar]

While leveling in Vanilla/TBC/Wrath, yeah, I tried to keep my gear in decent shape too. Never BiS because that took too long and actively obstructed leveling, but decent at minimum; my gear would be within the top 5 items for each slot as long as doing so was reasonable.

But that was a different time. Leveling was a much more substantial experience and a core part of WoW. Back then the game wasn’t actively pushing you towards max with everything you did and it didn’t make you feel like an oddball for not being max level already. It properly supported leveling as a playstyle. Today, the game readily levels you past your gear’s useful lifespan, meaning you either have to pay through the nose for AH BoEs or artificially throttle XP gain in order to keep each slot in good shape.

If the game returns low level play to a first rate citizen, I’ll actively support twinking. Until then, it’s an anachronistic niche playstyle that shouldn’t be forced on all who pass through below-cap BGs.

Well I think the trees are trash now is why people are forced into single specs, but I doubt that’s a mystery and another topic.

But I can see where faster leveling can make a difference, that’s why I spent $20 for heirloom gear + gold even though I don’t plan on ever leveling very far in game because I kicked the carrot on a stick gear addiction over 10 years ago.

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

spent $20 for gold

I will never, ever spend a dime of RL cash on anything in WoW aside from my subscription. Cash shops have no business existing in a game that both requires a paid subscription and charges for expansions. It’s no less of a racket than paying for cable to watch channels with advertisements, at least in my situation. I refuse to support that nonsense.

As reluctant as I am to spend ridiculous amounts of in-game-earned gold on AH items that will become vendor trash in 10 levels or less (such a terrible investment for leveling), I’d rather do that than buy it with gold acquired via tokens.

I don’t know if many other players share that mindset, but I doubt I’m alone.

[Creepygoat-tichondrius]

Yes we all know that to be the case…
I would be in favor of giving someone who wants to venture into xpoff games the right tools to get started with and have a better fighting chance.

The ppl who play xpoff seriously are still going to go that extra mile to minmax, but for the sake of que pops and activity, a change needs to happen other than being setup for failure in the current system.

Take a look at my other thread on some ideas to help with this…

Theorycrafting solutions for XPOFF / XPON

I generally support your suggested changes, but they unfortunately won’t work as expected if done in a vacuum. Without corresponding modifications to the leveling experience as a whole, all this will do is make the resulting unified queue as empty as XP-off queues are today. I don’t believe anybody wants that. The only way this will work is if it’s a single prong of a multifaceted leveling revamp.

[Weap-hakkar]

Well my time is worth way more than $20 for the time it would take to mine such gold, so I don’t share your opinion even a little. Honestly, I’ve always felt that was some self righteous crap.

[Stillmoist-illidan]

If you don’t like dying in pvp related areas…don’t do it?

I’m fine with dying. If I weren’t, I would’ve quit long ago some time between patch 1.6 and now. Getting curbstomed repeatedly by players who live the bracket when I’m just passing through on the other hand is not as cool.

Do you play/level with warmode on?

I level with war mode on, yes, because gankers are surprisingly absent (save for hotspots like HFP). At 120 I play with it on sometimes but if I’m honest there are plenty of evenings when I’m tired and just want to do my emissaries in peace and turn if off.

So it it like 1 player having fun at the expense of 5? 10? 15?

Help a brother out.

Twinks evidently don’t have enough numbers to keep the XP-off brackets flowing. XP-on brackets don’t have this problem. Clearly, the XP-off group Is far smaller than the XP-on group.

Exact numbers depend on the game in question, but a well twinked character can easily be crapping all over a 10 or 15 person team if the enemy doesn’t have a matching twink.

I can take a giant crap on all those scrubs in heirloom gear to, EASILY.

Should they make heirloom only ques next?

[Chroesire-bleeding-hollow (Chroesire)]

Well my time is worth way more than $20 for the time it would take to mine such gold, so I don’t share your opinion even a little. Honestly, I’ve always felt that was some self righteous crap.

I might agree if game companies could keep their cash shop offerings from being the exception rather than the norm and the industry weren’t currently being eaten alive by microtransactions, but that’s a topic for another thread.

I can take a giant crap on all those scrubs in heirloom gear to, EASILY.

Should they make heirloom only ques next?

Nope, that’s awesome. Go rock some games. If you’re not leaning on anything you’re cool with me… getting beat by someone like yourself is much more satisfying than losing by default due to a difference in stats.

[Evawyn-sargeras]

How about some program that detects xp off in the bg’s? The twinks would get a warning in the bg “Your experience will now be turned on in 60 seconds” Is an xp off detector hard to program?
Anyway, have something like this a few minutes into a bg, that would deter the exploit users I bet.
So far they are just being reported, that is going to be one high stack of reports to read if something isnt done soon.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

that is going to be one high stack of reports

I replied to your post in another, thread.
But the same works here too.
How many of those will be wasted on “cared for” “Levelers”?

[Evawyn-sargeras]

lol a rhetorical question I hope, as I have nooooo idea. But thats not our problem to sort out anyway, its Blizzards. I am pro separation and tell my guildies to report when they ask what to do.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Seems like you are instructing players who are unaware of what to look for.
Lots of room for error IMO.

[Evawyn-sargeras]

You dont know me, you dont know what we tell them to look for? Your sure made a leap there Mr. , give us some credit.
Its all fine and well, Im looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.
We will see.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Certified Twink inspector?

[Evawyn-sargeras]

Is there a badge? a shiny one?? you made me laugh lol

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

What is your opening pitch like?
Look for…?

[Evawyn-sargeras]

“‘Will you walk into my parlor?’ said the Spider to the Fly .” Thats how your question feels.
Just understand that I have many law abiding twinks myself and know exactly what to look for.

[Lasagna-frostwolf]

Heirlooms are better in some cases. Especially in the shoulders slot.

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Did you see the last WSG I was in wolf?
https://imgur.com/78vL8fc

Looks like separation may not working as well as everyone thought.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

Posted in the wrong post somehow, even the forums can’t keep up with all the threads!

can’t make out the names but someone rolled a few.

[Pípíkaula-proudmoore]

Maybe the Legion template system was better?

The Legion template system was fine EXCEPT that blizzard did not tune their template for lower levels. The un-tuned lower bracket “templates” (if they can be called that) were skewed heavily in favor of certain specs like survival hunter, disc priest, and warrior/2-hand melee. So it wasn’t quite so much the gear that mattered but spec, at least for lower brackets.

[Weap-hakkar]

and yet that happened constantly on PvP servers, enough to where they disabled PvP servers. Griefing was excessive ganking and camping, and including killing NPCs so a player could not play.

Same could have been said about PvP servers, kill or be killed.

I still get ganked in the world because I have PvP turned on.