Trolls kicking people on the last boss of a dungeon need to be actioned

[Syrandas-wyrmrest-accord]

@Kennie-malganis

It is true, though.

Please show me where Blizz has said that this is the case. I could very well be wrong.

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

There is no abuse.

Which is basically the same thing that people said about bailing on m+ runs. Everybody thought since there was no way you could prove intent, that blizz would remain hands off…until they weren’t hands off.

@Karvalli-proudmoore

here are already measures built in to the system to prevent it from being used by the same person too often.

There are measures built in that prevent the lead of a group from kicking someone in a premade?

[Kennie-malganis]

@Julaalu-lightninghoof

I mean if the forums keep getting lit up with grief threads they will have to retract the “ANY REASON.” from their statement

Nope? This isn’t a court of law. You don’t go to the forums to try to argue that you weren’t kicked justifiably. There’s no take backsies. If somebody gets kicked then that’s it and it’ll stay automated forever.

[Jatarri-zuljin (Jatarri)]

@Kennie-malganis

@Jatarri-zuljin

So I guess if you arent a tank/healer and forming your own group, your chance of being screwed is high.

Extremely low unless you’re actively being a problem for the group

I guarantee I have never once been the problem for a group. I have (by choice) only done 1 M0 in my life.

[Kennie-malganis]

@Syrandas-wyrmrest-accord

@Kennie-malganis

It is true, though.

Please show me where Blizz has said that this is the case

@Vrakthris

The Vote to Kick system was designed to give players who used Looking for Dungeon/Raid some agency over who they are grouped with. If they have someone in that group that isn’t meshing, for whatever reason or no reason at all, they may choose to remove them.

Here, although I’m sure this’ll be ignored.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Julaalu-lightninghoof

I mean if the forums keep getting lit up with grief threads they will have to retract the “ANY REASON.” from their statement.

“Grief threads” with absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there was any actual griefing that happened

Those threads are just people whining because they get kicked for valid reasons that they’re too unaware or bad to comprehend

The only time anyone has posted proof of the supposed grief kicking, it turned out that they themselves were the problem with the group, the group was more than patient with them, but eventually ended up kicking them for a valid reason.

[Regretfulx-sargeras]

if 4/5 people kicked. Didn’t they all agree you were the problem?

[Akariliselle-cenarion-circle]

That would likely be considered a form of harassment/trolling if they are doing it frequently near the end of a dungeon after all the effort has been put in. The only point there would be to deny the person the end of dungeon reward at that point.

[Riyyah-whisperwind]

I kicked a tank during the last boss because he kept bubbling himself and dropping agro, when I told him what it does and that he shouldn’t be doing that, he replied:

“Who the f*** cares”

Immediate vote kick, passes, and we kill the last boss without him.

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

@Kennie-malganis

@Vrakthris

The Vote to Kick system was designed to give players who used Looking for Dungeon/Raid some agency over who they are grouped with. If they have someone in that group that isn’t meshing, for whatever reason or no reason at all, they may choose to remove them.

Here, although I’m sure this’ll be ignored.

Yes, this is perfectly fine. But I suspect it assumes someone isn’t kicking people repeatedly right at the end a large? amount of times.

I mean, rules are rules…within reason. If blizz starts to detect someone is doing something stupid (like bailing on a lot of m+ dungeons or in this case, kicking lots and lots of people right before the last boss of a dungeon), I suspect they’ll bring out the “gameplay sabotage” excuse once more.

As to whether the OP was hit by someone who’s doing it heaps and heaps of times for blizz to even notice…well that’s a different story.

[Rabititus-shuhalo (Rabititus)]

Just because they did something about m+ leavers, doesn’t mean something is wrong with the vote kick system.

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@Kennie-malganis

Here

I stand (sit) corrected.

That is a bad policy and it needs to be updated.

[Kennie-malganis]

@Trustlvlfour-zuljin

But I suspect it assumes someone isn’t kicking people repeatedly right at the end a large? amount of times.

You say someone like it isn’t the majority of the party agreeing to remove somebody.

@Rabititus-shuhalo

Just because they did something about m+ leavers

This was likely an extremely small, fringe group.

[Julaalu-lightninghoof]

@Vrakthris

If you feel that the system can be improved and have an idea of what you’d like to see, you’ll want to submit your suggestion through the in-game option in the main menu under Support or by posting in the Community forums, best under Dungeons, Raids & Scenarios.

He also left it open to suggestion for improvement.

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

@Kennie-malganis

You say someone like it isn’t the majority of the party agreeing to remove somebody.

I assumed we were taling about premades. Not queued content. I don’t think the OP specified.

[Kennie-malganis]

@Julaalu-lightninghoof

suggestion for improvement.

Yeah, nobody has proposed a good solution. It’s always just “i got kicked fix it”.

[Syrandas-wyrmrest-accord]

@Rabititus-shuhalo

Just because they did something about m+ leavers, doesn’t mean something is wrong with the vote kick system.

It doesn’t mean that there isn’t something wrong with it either.

[Warthinator-earthfury]

@Rabititus-shuhalo

Just because they did something about m+ leavers, doesn’t mean something is wrong with the vote kick system

Pretty bold to make that assumption when this same logic was vehemently used by GD to justify leaving endless keys.

[Julaalu-lightninghoof]

Balancing the Vote-Kick Penalty: A Call for Change - Community / General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums

There has been a few on this thread. Though none of it was perfect.

[Trustlvlfour-zuljin]

@Akariliselle-cenarion-circle

That would likely be considered a form of harassment/trolling if they are doing it frequently near the end of a dungeon after all the effort has been put in. The only point there would be to deny the person the end of dungeon reward at that point.

Exactly. If someone is doing something like this often enough to actually attract blizz’s attention, then they will eventually get hit with some sort of punishment. Blizz’s official policy on booting someone from a group mentions nothing of abusing such a feature.