No it really doesn’t actually you can Q as a 5 person group and as you say if you want that control if those are the same people if you have a dedicated 5 group.
You can just blow through all the heroics extremely fast On top of that we’re talking about wrath heroics here it’s not that big of a deal maybe at the beginning on top of that though you’re not going to use RFD as beginning anyway until you really don’t need anything from the heroics.
Except for badges So ya RFD is completely fine
It is impossible to verify if a watered-down version of RDF would have a noticeable impact on organic group forming but your claim that nobody was doing so after the tool came into being is false. We still had the ability to do so and we absolutely did so when control over the group composition and which dungeon we went to was important enough to us.
Well, you’re still arguing against the full-featured badge awarding version of RDF which pretty much every reasonable person has recognized will not see the light of day in Wrath, so I’m not so sure I’m going to give you credit on compromising just yet. But I welcome you to the table.
What he really means is that dungeon finder would cut back on his boosting and gdkp business. It has zero impact on forming groups with friends or guildies.
That is a possibility that I’m not actually interested in exploring. I’ll leave the terrible mind-reading attempts to BoPeep for now.
That wasn’t until a later iteration of the dungeon finder. Gearscore was really only a player made addon in wrath and ilvl wasn’t a thing for dungeon finder until cata. I had many 5-man groups especially for the ICC dungeons where the tank was in all greens and the healer couldn’t keep them alive.
Also there was no check in wrath to make sure you were even able to perform the role you were signing up as. In later expansions they made it so only certain classes could sign up as certain roles however they didn’t ensure competency for those roles until way later. It wasn’t until WoD that you had to complete the proving grounds trial for the spec you wanted to run as. Prior to that as long as your ilvl was high enough you could queue for tank/healer even if all your gear was dps gear.
It’s not mind-reading; it’s common sense. Why else would someone be against dungeon finder? I’ve read thousands of posts on the subject and I haven’t seen any reason. Saying ‘community’ is nonsense. Look at TBCC…it’s a catastrophe. The lfg channel is just endless buying and selling spam. A dungeon finder only helps the community. As I said, it has no impact on people who want to ruin dungeons with friends or guildies. All it is is an additional option for people who (for whatever reason) don’t have the friends or guildmates to run dungeons. And even for those people, it’s a useful tool. Your friends aren’t always online. Guildies aren’t always available. Maybe you can’t fill out a full party, but need 1 or 2 more people.
This notion that spamming the lfg channel to group with random strangers is more meaningful than being automatically grouped with random strangers is completely preposterous. The only critique for the system would be that it’s cross-realm. But that’s kind of necessary for dead servers.
If I was Blizzard, it’s very simple what I would do: remove the cross-realm aspect and merge dead realms. Done. That’s all they need to do.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. He might be really really really stupid.
i’m aware that a dk/paly/warr/druid can queue as tanks even if they have fully dps spec & full dps gear, however if few players are using something in a wrong way? that doesn’t mean the"something" is evil, you have a kitchen knife in your kitchen if i’ll say some one can use it for killing so we must ban all kitchen knives in-case someone could use it to kill another" that’s just ridiculous.
there are always safe methods for anything, and when it comes to lfd ? it’s meant to group randoms with randoms and the outcome will be random but anyone can easily avoid the bad outcome, i remember when LFD first introduced i was still grouping with the same people i always grouped with then we use the queue together, many did that, at least i was always getting a tank & healer in my party before i queue as 3 because it never mattered if we will get matched with 2x dps in green gear or wrong spec since the heroics was too easy and we could’ve 3manned it anyway, i only was queue as solo in late hours when i just wanted to have random fun & 1 of my best friends for all blizzard games till this moment? was a person i met randomly via LFD at the end of wotlk.
but i’m also aware that even when lfd required a certain item level, people would buy blue boe cloth gear not for their classes just to get the required item level to be able to queue, but it never mattered since clearing wotlk dungeons never required highly gear to be cleared, and if someone want to Optimize and go go go style clear in 5min he/she can simply open friends Tab / guild tab and get his teammates and queue with them.
for me, the random dungeon finder have zero effect on most of the players who have secured ways, but then it will only help the randoms to group together which is not anyone’s concern.
on a side note, we don’t have LFD now in tbc but meanwhile people are using something very similar to it, this addon automatically post your message in lfg chat, it also pop up windows for those who have same matched dungeons & it can allow you to easily invite them, and can be used for auto accepting other groups. so if you’re using it while farming, you don’t have to even read lfd chat or post your msg it will let people know you want that dungeon and will make you auto accept their invite & the funny thing is…the addon has half million downloads, that’s almost 75% of the whole tbcc player base since the start.
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lfg-matchmaker-tbc
it’s so odd if you don’t want a feature in the game while you’re using 3rd party with the same effect, Unless 75% of the community do want lfd and blizzard aren’t even aware of that…However many aren’t even aware of the existence of the addon, once they know? they’ll probably download it so the actual numbers of who want LFD can be 90% of the player base or more? R.I.P Blizzard lies about knowing or listening to their community!
The addon doesn’t give you extra rewards, teleport you to the dungeon, nor let’s you go cross realm for grouping.
I’ve already stated I would not be against a rdf that follows those restrictions.
Well the primary issue is that it’s not in your best interest to use this argument. It’s both contradictory to your most utilized points and has been demonstrated to not be viable for getting Blizzard to change their mind.
Usually when something is proven to not ever work, a reasonable person tries something different.
but…but on my megaserver
-i never grouped with the same people twice for dungeons “feels like cross realm”
-and most if the times i get summed to the instance door “that’s teleporting”
-and about the extra rewards? lfd only give reward for 1time daily which is 2x badges of current tier content, without stepping into raids? the whole phase will end before you even get 1item from doing the daily alone.
-about the rewards for additional lfd joining/spamming? it only give badge of the previous tier raid, which mean it will not give anyone anything if lfd was release at wotlkc release, however if it’s used on later patchs, it will allow people to get previous older badges items which won’t even fil more than very few spots and they will have to go the previous raids if they want to gear up, and anyway that will never matter to anyone who’s raiding current tier content.
Just give us RDF Lite. Check off the dungeons you would like to group for, choose your role and queue. No cross realm, no teleports, no bonus rewards. You get placed in a group and go to the instance.
Do people think you can’t queue for specific dungeons with Dungeon Finder?
most if not all anti-lfd people are clueless, apparently they was never here in original wotlk.
Definitely something I’ve realized is most of these anti-lfd people just have no idea how the system worked, how vote kicking worked, etc. Apparently never played back then.
And then these ‘compromise’ posts of, ‘Remove everything that made dungeon finder dungeon finder, and it’s fine.’ Especially when they say to remove extra rewards. Something like that makes it clear they’re trolling. Yeah, let’s remove the reason people continue to do dungeons and watch the number of people doing them plummet.
Obviously if it was in at launch it can’t give the emblem awards, since you can’t give players currency to buy outdated tier sets when there are no outdated tier sets yet. But however the earlier daily quest rewards worked could be baked into the system until the ICC patch, where it should be just like it was in Wrath.
The dungeons themselves will still grant the rewards, but I just don’t think LFD tool should grant additional rewards on top of what the dungeons themselves give. That’s what I mean when I say I think the extra rewards should be removed. It’s not like I’m saying if you do a dungeon with LFD then the bosses shouldn’t drop badges.
I thought what made dungeon finder dungeon finder, is the queue-able group-forming functionality. I am OK with that. The teleportation and cross-realm are not deal-breakers for me personally, because I basically just want a LFD that works exactly like BG queueing but for dungeons.
This comparison comes up quite a bit too. However I will point out that the Battlemasters do not give you extra BG marks every time you queue. You don’t get any more honor or BG marks than what you get from doing the BGs themselves. So remove the extra rewards from LFD, and the comparison to BG queueing becomes a lot more apt.
Leaving it as two daily quests in dalaran instead baking the rewards LFD is a very reasonable compromise.
It wasn’t a problem in 2009, so why are players suddenly saying it’s a problem now? Is casuals and alts getting gear from two sets earlier quicker a bad thing? At the tail end of the expansion, as well. It gets more players involved, it greatly increased participation. How are these bad things?
You’re saying the random battleground finder doesn’t give extra honor and arena points? Thank you for proving my point about people not knowing how things worked back then.
If people are only running dungeons for the extra perks then that tells you all you need to know.
If you are saying that the extra rewards are important, and draws people in, then you cannot use the argument if you don’t like it don’t use it. At that point it would then be obvious that people wouldn’t be using it if they liked it, they would be using it if they want the extra rewards.
If LFD doesn’t grant extra rewards just for queueing, then yeah if you don’t like it don’t use it. Because the two ways of forming groups will then truly be equal.
I think there are plenty of good arguments in favor of LFD. The community has changed, is a good one. If you don’t like it don’t use it, is not.