In wotlk, using LFD
everyone get a one time per day 2x badges of current content, after that? you can only get badges per each use from the previous content, apart from this? tanks/healers get extra reward which contain gold sometimes potions or even gems to drive tanks/healers to keep on Queue.
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This is exactly what the anti-LFD people want, less competition.
Yeah, that’s exactly what they want so they can get in and get geared early to hold the raids hostage. If everyone had a path to lvl 213 gear they wouldn’t be special.
Still, you’d think an enterprising group of tanks would be looking forward to selling instant queues for gold.
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i hope that MR blizzard antilfg guy that couldn’t even level past 10 are watching threads like this.
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No rdf doesn’t hold 213 gear hostage, you are making crap up again.
With or without rdf EVERYONE has a path to ALL gear.
Equal opportunity is there. The problem is you are confusing equality with equity. Everyone has the opportunity to get the gear, but not everyone actually deserves it. Those who out in the work will get it. Those who don’t, won’t.
And it is very easy to get 213 gear in wotlk without rdf. 10/25 man naxx is easy as hell. Even normal modes 10/25 ulduar isn’t hard. Then there’s the pvp area raids which are free loot, trail of the crusader is very easy on normal, even normal mode icc isn’t really that hard. Basically everyone who raids will clear all of that content and get gear from it. But that doesn’t mean they deserve the gear from heroic/hard modes. You have to do the heroic/hard modes to deserve that gear. And not having rdf does nothing in terms of gatekeeping people from doing any of the content, even the heroic/hard modes.
except that tbcc has tons of gdkp and tons of blue geared players getting the epic gear via those gdkb, So why would any gear seller accept an in-game feature that will make him lose some of his audience!
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They wouldn’t, hence the obsession from a handful of the boosters and gdkp people that dungeon finder should be removed.
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Contrary to your belief being agaist rdf doesn’t make me for gdkp, boosters, exc.
I don’t like gdkp as it encourages gold buying and other bad behavior/cheating.
Same reason I want boosting to be killed off.
If I had my way gdkp would be agaist tos because it directly encourages rmt, and if you are more than 3 levels lower than the max level in your group you would get reduced exp, increasing the exp reduction with greater level differences.
But claiming only gdkp and boosters are agaist rdf is the best strawman argument you have.
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At this point we are not arguing for dungeon finder to be removed. We are arguing for it to not be added. And I am using ‘we’ very loosely because you seem to think the only people agaist adding rdf are boosters and gdkp players., refer to my post above on my feelings on those people.
Yes, group make up in tbc matters if you want to speed run. But it isn’t a must. Sure running a heroic with an off meta group is harder… doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Get off your high horse.
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i’m not saying that only gold sellers / boosters / gdkp are the only people against rdf but they’re the the people who’s getting affected the most so the majority of anti-lfd are from them, But ofc there are some other people who have wrong idea about LFD and they hate it based on what they believe, they just lack the experience and knowledge which prevent them from realizing that LFD is very good for the game in too many ways, it has more pros than it’s cons. and in-fact it’s better for social aspect as i explained a lot of times in past few days.
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I didn’t say it wasn’t possible
I said you wouldn’t have a good time.
Go do a shattered halls heroic with 4 warriors and a holy pally. Tell me how much fun you have. Not having a decent group set up can make some heroics miserable. Yes they are still doable. But it won’t really be fun.
So having a different opinion than you makes it wrong, got it…
I was there when it was added. I saw the pros and cons first hand. And the pros do not out weigh the cons in my opinion.
i just did Shh hc yesterday with 2rogues 1warr and it was ultra fun, sure it’s not go go go super fast run where mages aoe and tank kite! but we didn’t wipe at all & we wasn’t geared.
having different conditions for PVE is what makes game fun, if you always use the best methods to reach your goal asap by any means necessary? then you’re clearly not playing for fun.
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I see where you’re going with this. With that being said seems quite a few of us were wanting wrath the way it was years ago.
Personally myself, that’s how I’ve always wanted the “classic experience” to be. Not for the devs to pick and choose what they think we as a playerbase need.
I can understand giving us later patched versions since that is usually class balancing or bug fixes.
Now to touch on the rdf. So currently in tbc, if you’re something other than what players consider to be part of the meta for heroics you’re waiting for quite some time to find a group. You think that’ll change in wrath? Don’t see it happening myself. Now you’ll say “run the dungeons with your guild”. What if I can’t? In my case the only days I play with my guild is raid days and just because it coincides with my off days from work. You might then tell me to find a new guild. Well, that’s when I’d give you the finger lol.
My main is an enhance shaman. Most people want mages and warlocks for heroics (notice I said most not all). So say I want to run heroic shattered halls. Instead of getting a group in 5-10 minutes I’m lucky to find one in an hour. If I want to run the content on a casual basis I should be forced to play what’s popular?
So why can’t we have the rdf? What’s wrong with the “don’t like it don’t use it” mentality? If people want to be elitist and cherry pick their groups let them keep using the lfg channel. Pretty damn simple.
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Would probably still be fun you just wouldn’t blaze through it.
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Rogues are a CC class. Sap, blind, a lot of stuns. Far easier to do shh hc than with only warriors, who’s best CC is an aoe fear. Which can pull additional packs.
Personally I love having a rogue when doing heroics. I don’t like the spell cleave comps. But I prefer fun over fast.
many combs will be just fine, so why assume that you’ll get the worst if you’re using dungeon finder? it’s never gonna happen especially for Wotlkc since a lot of classes will be so good.
also even if we have lfd now in tbcc you can’t expect that by using it you’ll have a group of 3 warrior for shh. the sky won’t rain warriors for your looking for dungeon queue’s
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The same goes for you. Just because you believe one thing doesn’t make it right.
I was there also. I remember the pros and cons as well. For me I personally enjoyed it.
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That’s because you’re either a complete hypocrite or - in spite of how much you love to condescend everyone else here - you’re a short-sighted fool.
The RDF may have some negative effects on “the classic community” paying a third-world gold farmer with a rudimentary grasp of the English language to pilot a boosted mage through slave pens literally removes up to 4 other players from the Living World of Azeroth for hours at a time.
And you think that’s just hunky dory. Notice how, even after taking steps to kill boosting in Classic SoM, Brian didn’t announce any such changes to Wrath Classic? Funny, that.
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