SOD phase 4 transcends the title of Classic and became retail, can we get fresh Era Classic? Hell even TBC idc

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

Which was my final point.

People just dont play Vanilla the way it was orignally played anymore.

Regardless of what purists or classic era only players want to admit, the people who played it at a casual pace simply don’t exist as a majority or even the norm anymore

We have actual proof in the 3 versions of classic we already have.

The norm was:
Use rested xp
Dungeon grind if you were a mage/hunter or pay someone if you werent
Rush prebis
Clear the content in less than a week
Run gdkps until the end of time, which for awhile choked out all new progress and even made the lowest level potions cost several gold, this combined with botting ruined big server economy, stagnating the server further.

Resetting it isnt going to change anything but just make it head there faster because people are just plain better and more knowledgeable at the game now, especially now with hardcore being an official mode.

[Argentia-defias-pillager]

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

And the problem with trying to get another set of vanilla fresh servers, is you have to convince enough people to roll on them, enough people to roll on different servers, and enough people to even keep playing.

nobody needs convincing fresh is popular, no matter how much people like you deny it

[Argentia-defias-pillager]

@Lobsterss-benediction

People will download Rested exp, questie and 10 other add-ons. Join aoe dungeon groups. Rush endgame. And put the game in the same state as the current era in a month

more nonsense hyperbole having some level 60 characters does not make the fresh server equivalent to current era. it would still be in phase 1, to name one obvious difference… not to mention the lack of billions of gold in the economy

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

No. Its not judgement. Its literally confusion

Fair enough, there are things that I don’t get about certain parts of the player base too even if I try hard to understand.

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

especially because this topic is broached in the sod forum

This part I get, and the title of this thread isn’t a nice thing to see on here either, but these threads can be flagged and the mods can decide if it’s off topic or trolling. That’s the best way to deal with them overall, flagging and ignoring. If the threads get bumped they get more attention. If the threads don’t get bumped the actual SoD stuff goes to the top.

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

And the problem with trying to get another set of vanilla fresh servers, is you have to convince enough people to roll on them, enough people to roll on different servers, and enough people to even keep playing. And im sorry, but beyond deleting the classic era servers, which either removes all the progress from those still on era or moving them somewhere else, Blizzard isnt just going to keep creating fresh vanilla multi phase servers.

“If you build it, they will come”

This one is on Blizzard, but no I do not think they will do another “fresh Vanilla” while they have an active season. SoD is their fresh. So while I’d like just a standard one, I know that an official one isn’t likely to happen for quite some time.

Agreed that Era should not be deleted. I respect a lot of the people who play that despite it not being the “in thing”, a lot of them are super nice people. I think that the Era people are the only ones who should feel “threatened” but a rotating fresh server that feeds into Era would help with Era too.

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

Im not sure who wants to be forced to redo all of that vanilla progress again…and again…and again…and again…infinitely.

It’s been almost 5 years so it’s not like we are talking about a reset every month. I know that pservers go quicker but the Blizzard servers haven’t. A lot of the people saying this stuff don’t look at the real timeline and when the requests started happening (the first grumblings for this was after TBCC launched).

So that’s how I see it all. I know what is fun for me. I’m patient. I don’t expect a “real fresh” for a few more years anyway.

Again, on the DD thing, a player-driven “fresh on a dead server”, is great to see.

One last thing, we do not know how far the Classic expansions will go and we don’t know about the next season. Classic Plus isn’t a real thing as now. Classic itself was created as different from Retail so what goes on with Retail shouldn’t matter for this.

I’ve always been for TBC Era and Wrath Era servers too, even though I wouldn’t play on them. Most people use the “split the playerbase” for why those shouldn’t happen too. I love the idea of people being able to have fun in the way they want to.

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

People need convincing to create the same characters on a “fresh server” infinitely without any progress being actually saved in a game that is BUILT from the ground up on meaningful player progression. Yes they absolutely do.

But you just want to argue, since thats the only thing you took from my ENTIRE post, so ill wait for someone smarter to respond.

[Argentia-defias-pillager]

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

People need convincing to create the same characters on a “fresh server” infinitely without any progress being actually saved in a game that is BUILT from the ground up on meaningful player progression. Yes they absolutely do.

If you’re this kind of person, fresh isn’t for you. And that’s ok. Lots of other game modes to choose from. You have to accept that there are lots of people out there who aren’t so sentimental about keeping their characters forever like some virtual collectible or momento

And believe it or not (this is gonna blow your mind), some people actually enjoy vanilla leveling. Since you have a dragon people avatar, I don’t expect you to understand.

[Cibola-wild-growth]

I like SoD. I also would love fresh.

I don’t understand this whole Wall of No v 2.0 thing going on with some people. There’s a certain segment of the population that just seems really invested in not allowing people who enjoy fresh vanilla to play what they want. It’s really weird lol

Those of you who don’t want to play fresh - why do you care if a fresh server is released? The only real argument I can come up with is that it would split the player base, and you worry that it would siphon players from your preferred version of WoW.

If fresh is garbage like many of you claim, there should be no worries. Surely, no one would go play fresh.

But I don’t think that’s the case. Nostalrius and C19 are both testament to how popular a fresh server would be. I think many of the naysayers know in the back of their minds that there would be a significant exodus to a fresh vanilla server when released.

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

As far as classic plus goes, thats why i said what i said. The last thing that was said on the matter from blizzard is:
SoD characters arent going to era, because we lose everything in SoD
They arent being deleted.

We know seasonal servers arent ending with sod, so the only place they COULD go, is to a classic plus format. The minute blizzard admitted this, classic plus is all but soft confirmed because literally where else would you put them?

This, like i said before, depends on them not to change their mind.

I wasnt talking about a reset every month. I specifically said every x amount of months/years because it depends both on the players/blizzard how long those phases would be, and i dont know the answer to that myself.

Blizzard might think: lets do 2019 classic over again, same cadeance, same everything

People might quit because theyve seen this in recent memory already and enough people might quit, which ends the fresh classic idea after just one iteration.

They might think to do it faster, leading to people complaining that they cant keep up.

Obviously a medium will have to be reached thats no question.

Personally im interested, and have been interested, in fresh classic, strictly because private servers soured my ability to level in a slow version of the game until hardcore came out, now i can participate in classic if it were to restart. Anything with wow im interested in, thats why ive tried everything…until GDKPs ruined classic for me. Going off of another thread, they seemed to have died down enough that -maybe- i can bother putting time into my former HC mage.

However, like everything else we have been given with classic, there needs to be enough people interested and the interest needs to last.

I doubt they will do a seasonal mode that is just fresh vanilla. The reason for this is simple, it’s already happened, the first seasonal mode, Season of Mastery, was just fresh vanilla with barely any changes. Raid bosses were minorly changed, respec costs and mount costs were changed, but otherwise, it was, to me at least, largely the same.

So what i figured they would have to do, is release a fresh vanilla with however many servers they deem appropriate alongside a seasonal server.

Otherwise you run the risk of Seasonal not ever experimenting or evolving and its just “Regular Vanilla” over and over.

I dont see that succeeding when, by then, sod will be fully released and hardcore and era will be locked at 1.12.

I do however, like the idea of fresh classic characters being moved to era once the server resets to p1, and honestly having the AH also reset. The question then just simply becomes: how many characters can blizzard reliably store, which i guess we know the answer to, hich is what, 65 characters an account now?

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

As i said before, it makes literally no difference which character i post on. People like you will always complain about what character i post on.

Last comment to you tbh, you’re just trying to argue and get a reaction. Im sorry, you’re just not going to get it.

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

They are testament to how popular a vanilla fresh server is in a time when classic, and anything else for that matter, literally did not exist in an official format and all we had is retail. I am curious to see how many people would go to a classic fresh server that wouldnt just go to a dead classic era server and revive it.

I dont care about the AH excuse. You can very easily list your own items. If thats the end all be all reason you cant just do what communities like DD are doing, the problem isnt that era is phased to 1.12.

My issue isnt with fresh servers, its with getting them to work in perpetuity and enough people being there to make it a fun experience for everyone when there are 3 other versions of classic, 2 that have all the content released, and 1 that, I hope, will release new content like pre tbc hyjal, Karazhan Crypts/Scarlet Cathedral, and the myriad of other never released or never finished content for vanilla that spawned most expansions we have played even as far as dragonflight.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

We know seasonal servers arent ending with sod, so the only place they COULD go, is to a classic plus format. The minute blizzard admitted this, classic plus is all but soft confirmed because literally where else would you put them?

They did say that, and the characters will go somewhere, but it may be another server with things like the “runes unlocked” since they are already changing the Era client.

Yes, though there’s a reason why I give feedback on the things/changes I’m passionate about even though if a person isn’t a streamer and it’s not posted on X it doesn’t matter. Cata has jumped the shark for me with the servers as they are and changes, and there are things I’m not a fan of with SoD, but if things aren’t fun for a person then it’s better to move on so that’s what I’ve mostly done. Although I still like Era and hardcore

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

I wasnt talking about a reset every month. I specifically said every x amount of months/years because it depends both on the players/blizzard how long those phases would be, and i dont know the answer to that myself.

I might have been getting sidetracked by others saying the two-month thing, but I can plug an old game into my console and enjoy it again 5 years down the road, so I do think that’s enough time but it’s going to be longer than that on official sources, at the very least, as it’s almost been 5 years now. Some people will drop off though sure.

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

I doubt they will do a seasonal mode that is just fresh vanilla. The reason for this is simple, it’s already happened, the first seasonal mode, Season of Mastery, was just fresh vanilla with barely any changes. Raid bosses were minorly changed, respec costs and mount costs were changed, but otherwise, it was, to me at least, largely the same.

SoM I went into with a friend who was determined to no life and be one of the first rank 14s - and that’s what he did on Barman Shanker. SoM had it’s issues and they were mostly to do with the PVP system being released at the start and people just binging AV to gear and skipping dungeons on PVP servers. Barman Shanker was a small server that blew up over ranking drama. Things like that are probably why the honor system got so changed. Most people agree that SoM was released too quickly as well so maybe that feeds into your point.

@Aerogosa-mannoroth

I do however, like the idea of fresh classic characters being moved to era once the server resets to p1, and honestly having the AH also reset. The question then just simply becomes: how many characters can blizzard reliably store, which i guess we know the answer to, hich is what, 65 characters an account now?

I’m not sure what the limit is, but I’d just like to see (and someone else suggested this) a rotating “Fresh” server that Blizzard doesn’t have to do a lot of work with but at the end it feeds into Era where people can keep playing. Maybe that’s a pipe dream though, and yeah it would probably be fewer player with each reset but there is a population of players who loves this and some people do like doing the same thing over and over.

[Badrock-wild-growth]

It’s a bit disingenuous to say that when the sod forum is littered with threads created or hijacked by people who want fresh and only post about sod in the most toxic ways.

No, they’re not just asking for fresh. They have to be ultra toxic about sod, claim it’s the worst thing on earth, claim it’s already completely dead, and then beg for fresh. All on the sod forum.

[Thanrok-atiesh]

I would like to see a TBC server at the end of SOD that we can all just progress through as SOD toons. Just tune up TBC to be in alignment with the new power levels of our characters and leave it alone. No more runes, no more abilities, no more balancing. Just let us play the content.

[Aerogosa-mannoroth]

What you want and what you said are two different things.

What you want is the ability to go to Outland, but as a level 60 character. Sorry but to keep in line with SoD, you would need to keep adding things at this hypothetical “P6-P9” otherwise no one would play it clearly with how P2 lull and P3 lull have been.

And to have it be just TBC, you would need to progress to level 70 and have the new talents/abilities that come with that.

The ship has sailed to just “have the expansion content” in vanilla wow a year and a half ago.

Besides, Vanilla TBC is completely different than actual TBC because as we saw from the datamined Hellfire Peninsula map that Hayvon Games showed us, outland was meant to be directly based off its WC3 Depiction and -not- how it ended up being. That is monumental in terms of atmosphere, story, environment, and how prog would be set up. With blood elves and Quel’Thalas also existing in a moderately different way, we might not even have a Sunwell patch, not in the form it existed in TBC at least.

[Cibola-wild-growth]

@Badrock-wild-growth

It’s a bit disingenuous to say that when the sod forum is littered with threads created or hijacked by people who want fresh and only post about sod in the most toxic ways.

No, they’re not just asking for fresh. They have to be ultra toxic about sod, claim it’s the worst thing on earth, claim it’s already completely dead, and then beg for fresh. All on the sod forum

I agree that it’s dumb lol.

I’m a fresh fanboy myself, but guys like Argentia aren’t really winning any hearts and minds. I think most people are pretty chill, but alot of forum space is taken up by the unhinged minority.

[Badrock-wild-growth]

And to be fair, I really don’t care if they make a fresh server. That’d be great for the people that want it. I just don’t believe folks need to go with full toxicity and tear down a game mode and forum sub in the process. It breeds more toxicity.

[Argentia-defias-pillager]

acting like SoD isn’t dead… yikes

[Cypris-thunderfury]

Case you did not get the memo the servers merged long time ago, everyone kept their server names and not everyone was on whitemane nor is every server merged to it.

WoW Classic Era Realm Connections Coming May 18

As we approach the moment when WoW Classic players will make the choice to move on to The Burning Crusade Classic (version 2.5.1) or stick with Classic Era (version 1.13.7), we will be connecting many Classic Era realms during maintenance on Tuesday, May 18. This means that in each region/locale, we will create connected realms among groups of Classic Era PvP realms, or groups of Classic Era Normal realms, or Classic Era RP realms. In this region, we will connect: Anathema, Arcanite Reaper, …

They should have left a TBC classic and Wrath as they went even if it was just 1 cluster, did not play sod and do not care about it, nor wrath or cata and have not played retail since cata and when i was playing cata was on my 60s still from 2006. Only reason i play wow is cause of classic. I could agree that having 1 new fresh server a year that then merges into era at the end would prob work but also split player base. Ques for games is already too slow and i have zero interest in starting over again i have already done that 16 plus times in 20 years. Also would be nice if all pvp brackets were merged into one, but i know new servers would throw a fit since the gear difference would not be fair.

[Elkwood-mankrik]

Lol. The only 2 xpacs with “Classic” old school game play is TBC and Vanilla. Please don’t throw Wrath in with the 2. Wrath was the beginning of the end.

[Mtn-lone-wolf]

I am still waiting for actual tbc release…like fresh servers, no boost, no phase-hunter mount, no token, fresh economy where cheating, gold buying and selling/botting is punished by more then 3day ban, its nice to dream sometimes.