SOD phase 4 transcends the title of Classic and became retail, can we get fresh Era Classic? Hell even TBC idc

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Im just confused as to the reasoning why they want it. The only thing they cant do again, is The AQ event. Literally everything else in classic is still there, is it because of the AH? So they acknowledge that bots and GDKP are bad.

Is it because not -everyone on the server that is online is in pre dungeon blues or greens? Too bad. Mass migrate to a dead server.

Is it because they want to try to get world first? They literally cant. Its been done on hardcore and on classic. There is no version of the game where they can get world first right now until either Firelands is released, or AWW is released, but for vanilla, you literally cant just get world first Vanilla MC and beyond again because it’s been done. The only thing you can hope for, is SoD content in vanilla.

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Confused as to why this matters in the absolute slightest I have a 70 of almost every class. I’ve played since release of vanilla. I currently main an evoker, so I post on my main, unlike some people here that post on alts, or characters they dont even play, or on the bare minimum throwaway character so no one knows their identity. Would it really matter what character I posted on? It doesnt change my stance and it doesnt change the validity of what I said.

How about I post on my retail mage? Oh but that’s retail…
what about my DK, oh but I havent played it as a main since Hellfire Citadel (WoD), what about my SoD druid? oh wait but then it’s a P3 sod player and not a classic player.
What about my level 47? oh but then its a hc character and not a 60.
What about my Sod mage? Oh but its level 40 and was a main last phase until the guild needed a feral.
What about my wrath DK? oh but then it’s not a cata dk and its not a end phase wrath dk.
What about my warlock? oh but then its a P1 TBC warlock. What about my mists characters? Oh but then their remix characters.

You see how that literally doesn’t matter that I posted on an Evoker? I could have posted on anything because I play multiple versions of this game. I’m just posting on what’s my main right now until P4, then It’ll likely be my druid again

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I read your post as judgment, and a lot of people here do that, so sorry if I was wrong, but if this is more of a confusion or curiosity thing that’s fine. If so thanks for wanting to understand others but it just being difficult to do so.

For what it’s worth I think it’s great that the DD “fresh start” is a thing, and it’s great that Blizzard restricted transfers to there as a nod to that.

Also, it is fair to say that SoD was fresh and that is still going, so I get that perspective.

I’ve also suggested to people to use dead servers as fresh ones (when they were asking fresh tbcc servers when tbcc launched).

For me, there is just something about joining up at the start, leveling up with old friends and meeting new people, new guilds forming, rivalries on PVP servers etc. Going through the gearing and PVPing with the pre-AQ40 gear is kind of fun too.

I’m not one of those super fast levelers and I don’t tend to get everything first but I enjoy my time. That’s not to say that no one wants to be the one to get ahead, or go for server firsts, so you aren’t totally wrong, but that’s not everyone. Hardcore I got into after a lot of people did and still had a lot of fun with that, but there was no PVP.

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All evidence points to the contrary. Your feelings are irrelevant.

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I’m still looking but i can’t find lock, shaman tank in retail or mage healer.
Retail is bankrupt. SOD is the future.

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It’s also there for you to play, you just don’t want to.

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Lol raging hard friend!

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i agree with a tbc server. but, coming from sod and cata, trying the deviate delight “fake fresh” server is so bad. its literally the most boring thing ever. takes forever to do anything, no qol changes, gear stats are whack, cant play the fixed meme specs. etc etc before u ask for fresh try it out. u might change ur mind

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The interesting thing about this argument being brought up is the “well people will ask again in one month” or “two months”. That’s the talking point over and over.

I didn’t even say I wanted a fresh like Classic 2019 again until 2023.

When Classic 2019 was a year old I don’t remember anyone asking for fresh on the forums, that’s a lot longer than 2 months.

It’s a made up argument. There have been seasons and fresh Wrath servers, and I understand that Era servers are (sort of) preserved but there hasn’t been a “regular fresh” for close to 5 years. So exactly how long should people wait?

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You’re just guessing things you think are dumb so you can knock them down. That’s exactly what a strawman is. It shows you don’t actually care to know why people want to play progressive servers.

Why don’t you ask instead of guessing?

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Yeah it’s the future.

As everyone quits

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I dunno, OP.Classic era is still doing fine. I agree with u that SoD has kinda fallen off a cliff in terms of decisions since phase 1 finished, but u can totally play era, i do still.

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SOD is still the best version of WOW (ever). Phase 4 adds some new stuff that’s “not-classic”, but it’s all good. It still has the classic feel, and it’s 100x better than regular classic (which I wouldn’t play again). The devs said they were waiting till the endgame to do the major overhaul, as they said they would, and everyone is acting like SOD is dead (lol). Besides, who wants to do the same old ERA stuff again anyway? I’m so stoked for P4, but until P4 releases, I’’ll be enjoying my summer outside. I have been testing some stuff in the PTR and i’m liking what i’m seeing. Can’t wait for the finished product.

Good Job Blizzard!!!

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“Retail” abilities =/= “retail” gameplay.

If you think SoD plays anything like retail you prolly havent played retail in many years.

No fresh for you.

:wave:

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capitalizing random letters of a word is not an argument :expressionless:

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well whatever it is, it’s terrible :expressionless:

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No. Its not judgement. Its literally confusion, especially because this topic is broached in the sod forum, the only true place to even still have “firsts” in vanilla.

And the problem with trying to get another set of vanilla fresh servers, is you have to convince enough people to roll on them, enough people to roll on different servers, and enough people to even keep playing. And im sorry, but beyond deleting the classic era servers, which either removes all the progress from those still on era or moving them somewhere else, Blizzard isnt just going to keep creating fresh vanilla multi phase servers.

Not when they:
Have retail
Have whatever expansion they re-release
Have hardcore
Have sod
Have Vanilla era already finished.

But who knows. We didnt think hardcore would be done, so we made an addon, which picked up so much popularity blizzard made a whole mode for it. We didnt think classic would happen ever, so private servers existed, until one got so popular blizzard ironically a year or so after saying “You think you do but you don’t” were forced to concede, leading us to four different versions of Classic with three vanilla versions.

So thats not to say it cant happen, its just this is uniquely not feasible long term without deleting something else, if at minimum, making Era reset to P1 and re-progress through the phases automatically. Im not sure who wants to be forced to redo all of that vanilla progress again…and again…and again…and again…infinitely.

Even if we did have a sizeable playerbase that wanted to do that…where are the characters going to go? Im certain no one, especially in the grind heavy version of wow that is vanilla, wants to keep remaking their characters over and over again without any progress saved, right?

We already know sod players, unless blizzard changes their minds between now and the next 60 update (or already have changed their minds and just havent told us yet) the characters on sod arent being deleted or moved to era.

Which means by the next seasonal phase, we will have (if classic expansions continue after Cataclysm):

Retail till at LEAST The Last Titan so 2028~
Classic Era
Hardcore
Whatever expansion set is deemed “classic” at the time
Whatever seasonal mode is announced
And Classic Plus (or whatever they decide to call it)

6 versions of wow minimum
Do we really need a fresh vanilla phase rollout when there are ample dead servers to create a character on and just play?

Or is the number of people that are both wanting and willing to make a fresh classic experience just not big enough to support a set of manual/automatic P1 restarts every x amount of months/years that it cant happen without forcing era players into it too? I truely dont know the answer so that is why I am asking.

Im not opposed to fresh vanilla, it just needs to work without breaking something else or fracturing the playerbase even more than it currently is.

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People will download Rested exp, questie and 10 other add-ons. Join aoe dungeon groups. Rush endgame. And put the game in the same state as the current era in a month.

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But I keep getting told “muh journey” even tho what you said is what would happen.

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When the other side of the argument is spamming the word fresh every paragraph, then it’s a perfectly valid response.