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Yes!! I loved Remix! It was super refreshing and I had an absolute blast. People were super kind and helpful and I miss it a lot.
Twinking kind of brings that feeling back for me. My guy is still a heavy WIP but I look forward to when heâs ready to fly. I already have a few people who are excited to run with me.
Itâs a really good feeling.
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I hope you realize the majority appreciate twinks right?
Faster dungeons = faster leveling/faster weekly quest completion.
If they were truly a problem, blizz would have addressed them by now and if the other 4 thought they were âhijackingâ the run. They would vote them out lol.
Your argument is so flawed because the solution is already implemented. Vote kick.
Yet thatâs exactly what you are trying to do.
While I absolutely agree with you on not being as overpowered, I will also say you can make some pretty OP level 35 twinks. Personally, I have 4 paid accounts (self/wife/ and two of my children play), I also have a vet account which I twink on.
That being said, I can do Mythic SoO weekly for all the ilvl 191 gear with gem slots, after gem slotting and enchanting those toons they become rather OP.
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eh, you dont need to remove them from the que or block them from content. the problem is solved by just nuking the lifesteal enchant. Its the crux of the whole build. Make it scale appropriately in both healing and damage, and 98% of level 10 and 100% of lvl 11 twinks would quit the next day
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Yes and no, the only twinks that really use lifesteal are fury warrior and mistweaver monks.
Hopefully you never see a caster twink with lifesteal, or a druid twink. So nerfing lifesteal does not solve it.
And if that was the case, crusder may not be as good, but getting the strength buff and the heal, that would proc alot as well on fury.
I donât know why theyâd bother nerfing them.
Tbh this just seems like a massive case of fun detected. Twinks doing this are so rare as is and people being people⌠getting their feathers ruffled for no reason and complaining to complain.
yes but a good deal of those twinks (esp the level 10s) have been around for a while and arent just jumping on the current FOTM twink train. The goal is to reduce the number of people abusing an obviously broken mechanic, not eliminate or punish twinking
except for those people who are reduced to not being able to engage with the content in a meaningful way.
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Not to mention the whole reason twinks are able to exist in this game is due to Blizzardâs core design where they add items to chase that are OP compared to other similar items.
And with all the old legacy content now having scaled loot, there are loads of OP items available from all expansions to players that put in the time to obtain.
Getting rid of one item like Lifestealing would do nothing.
So when I play LFR on 80 and I cast one spell a minute, just to prove Iâm not afk while I watch HBOmax is meaningful, I love those overgeared peeps in those Raids wrecking it so I can do nothingâŚ
You wonât hear me complaining about that
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I will agree, their are more people doing it now, but does it really matter, like you said if its the FOTM, it will eventually go away.
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it only goes away if its discouraged. Its FOTM because blizz changed TW dungeons to scale to player level instead of scaling players up to the dungeons level. As long as TW exists in this state, there is incentive to make 10s and 11s for even the casual player uninterested in twinking for other reasons.
Breaking lifesteal (or perhaps reverting the TW scaling change) removes the incentive without punishing people who enjoy twinking. Thats all weâre going for here.
I donât know how many times I have to say this to get it through your thick heads. Something being possible does NOT confer intent on it. Youâre supposed to have an easier time in stuff you outgear certainly. However TW in this instance is supposed to be current content, only scaled. Never in the history of this game have you been intended to one shot current content EVER.
As Iâve said plenty of times, I donât care that twinks exist. I care that theyâre coming into my runs and trying to reduce me and others to NPCs in their 1 man interactive movie. I didnât sign up for that and neither did the majority of the playerbase. Youâre allowed to like what you like, but youâre not allowed to prevent 4 other people from being able to play the content. Iâm sorry but no youâre not that important.
Two things can be true at once, they can still be overturned yet doable and clearable. Personally I enjoyed early cata but I recognize not everyone did. There are some parts of it that were definitely overtuned. Point still stands though that most folks want to actually play the game and content theyâre signing up for. Only problem is the outliers that essentially want something for nothing and want an âI winâ button or blizzard to mail them the currency/gear that ruin it for others.
Pot meet kettle. If you want to run with a twink, form your own group instead of trying to hijack mine. Youâre literally preventing 4 other people from being able to play, but somehow Iâm the one forcing people to âplay my wayâ because I say I actually want to participate in fights. RightâŚ
Youâre the odd man out, youâre the one forming your own groups.
Itâs called public GROUP content, not public ME content. My $15 a month entitles me to sign up for content and get to participate in stuff I sign up for. In this instance TW. Twinks are also allowed to participate in various content as their $15 is just as valid as mine. What they donât get to do however is exploit busted mechanics to prevent me and others from being able to participate in the content.
I donât care if twinks want to go through and one shot everything in their own groups. My issue is them wanting to come into my groups, hijack the run, then pretend theyâve done me a favor as they tell me to âget over it.â I would rather not see the ability to make twinks harmed more than it already is. I would rather see blizzard suck it up and change their formulas since theyâve set the precedent for the past 20 years they donât want anything being too OP. As some of that precedent they lock twinks into groups with other twinks in pvp, they took away the ability of 70s to xp lock because of scaling issues, among other things. Long past time they stick twinks in their own groups in pve content. They an do their thing, I can do mine, everyone wins.
1 twink vs 4 normal people, plus my having 20 years of precedent on my side means youâre the minority. Sorry dude. See what I said above about how I would rather blizzard fix the scaling already, or put twinks in their own groups then everyone wins.
THIS, 1 billion times THIS. Simple would be to just group the xp locked toons with other xp locked toons like they already do in alot of pvp stuff. If you enjoy twinking as you seem to do, by all means. I donât mind you wanting to twink. I DO however mind when some twinks want to come in and prevent myself and others from being able to play because thatâs not fair to us.
Blizzard could easily fix the scaling issues, group the twinks in their own pool, or so on and then everyone is good.
Iâm so glad you said the line in bold because thatâs exactly the point. I donât care that Johnny 2x4 wants to twink. If he wants to do that, more power to him. What I care about is that Johnny is trying to come into my runs while cheesing/abusing busted mechanics and one shotting everything, then telling people like me and the other people to âsuck it upâ. Yeah no he doesnât get to do that. So something has got to give here.
-Blizzard can fix the scaling finally and stop being allergic to work.
-They can lock twinks into their own pool of people like they do for certain pvp stuff and other activities, but give people the ability to form private groups with them.
-They can get rid of the ability to twink outright (not ideal)
-They can change the scaling back to 30+ toons only in TW
Thereâs several options they have where the twinks can do their thing and normal folks like myself can do mine and both sides win. However some people want to act like itâs blasphemy to suggest that folks like myself should be allowed to participate in the content weâre signing up for and not be relegated to an NPC in Johnny 2x4âs movie.
Iâm not denying you anything. Youâre allowed to like twinking. What youâre not allowed to do is hijack the run from 4 other people and prevent them from getting to play at all. the 4 other people trump the twink every single time. See what I said above to Sendryn about things blizzard could do so everyone wins.
I donât care that you like to twink. What I care about is said twink coming into my runs, one shotting everything to the point I donât even get to cast a spell sometimes, then pretending theyâve done me a favor. THAT is absolutely denying me the ability to play. If youâre as concerned about everyone getting to play, why are you not advocating the twinks having their own pools and people still getting to group with them? Or advocating blizzard undo their scaling changes that started this mess to begin with? Put your money where your mouth is.
PREACH.
Or you can form your own groups if you want to play âI winâ instead of hijacking mine. Itâs GROUP content not ME content. If you want to turn a 5 man activity into a 1 man interactive movie, form your own groups instead of trying force yourself on 4 other people who donât want to follow along like someone using /follow.
You have the choice to form your own groups. So donât give me that hogwash that you canât do anything about it.
The only people imaging things as you suggest in bold are people like yourself who think the vast majority of people pay each month to watch someone else play the game for them. There are certainly some that would be content to do that and have gear just appear or get mailed to them, but Iâm not one of those people, nor are a host of others. If you find groups that are cool with that and you all want to run together, more power to you. Youâre allowed to like what you like. What you donât get to do however is run through one shotting everything to deny myself and others the ability to participate in content we pay to have access to and signed up for. Youâre 1 person in a team of 5 and itâs not all about you. There are 4 other people in that run too.
See as I said above, I would rather blizzard fix the scaling so all of this goes away. Whether thatâs plugging formula changes, making it 30+ are the only ones that can do TW again, grouping twinks into their own groups like they do with pvp, or whatever. Then both sides win. You get to twink, and I get to participate in content again. However some want to act like thatâs blasphemy.
Now as to the second bit in bold, I seriously have to ask. If you people honestly consider it a chore to do TW and actually play your toons, why are you doing it? Why do you continue to play content you clearly hate?
20 years of precedent says people actually like to play the content theyâre signing up for. But you you can believe whatever you want to.
Many people do vote them out and rightfully so. Second, purely because something has existed for a time does NOT confer intent on it. Murder has existed since the dawn of humanity yet you know as well as I do itâs wrong.
No my argument is not flawed, you just choose to be willfully ignorant.
Let me get this straight. My saying I want to actually get to participate in content and not follow behind some twink one shotting everything means Iâm trying to prevent other people from playing? Yeah no thatâs not how that works. See what I said above to Sendryn. I donât care that you want to twink. I care that youâre trying to hijack groups to the point the other 4 people donât even get to cast a single spell at all and are reduced to 4 NPCs in one guyâs interactive movie. Again sorry you donât get to do that.
You should be allowed to play your twink. Likewise I should be allowed to participate in content. The twink prevents that by one shotting everything thanks to screwed up scaling. So something has got to give. That something is blizzard fixing the scaling, undoing it so that only level 30+ can queue TW again, putting twinks in their own pool, or something along those lines. You get to twink, I get to do content and actually get to play WoW instead of Walking Simulator.
It really is that simple.
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When I do play in LFG, I DO NOT run way ahead, I play a healer so no one dies, I wait for people to kill bosses. So I think what should be being talked about is not the twinking but the behavior of the players who are twinking.
So rather than breaking twinking break the bad behaviors, make it so you can report those that run ahead kill eveything before you can get credit, if Iâm the twink in your group ask me to do the quests, I certainly will do them, Iâm there to help others not hinder, but do not make assumptions about all twinks cause you had a bad experience with a different one.
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A billion times this. If they werenât trying to run ahead and one shot everything to the point no one gets to play, there wouldnât be nearly as big an issue. I donât care that they want to twink, I care that that Iâm not getting to play.
Hence why Iâve said I would rather them fix the scaling so itâs not an issue, or put twinks in their own group pools but let folks have the ability to group with them and private queue. Both sides win in that instance.
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Sadly scaling is what it is, no use in arguing that point, separating player pools should be done with a checkbox basically saying play with similar level players. and your issue would go away.
Or, just ignore them and you will never group with that person again.
Nah, Blizzard should fix their game, their intent with the difficulty of TW dungeons is to fall between Normal and Heroic, but theyâre nowhere near even Normal since level 11s can solo them 
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Love the name, but level 10 druids can solo them. Not just level 11s 
They can solo normal too.
Most of the time Iâm just doing TW mindlessly in order to finish a quest. I really could not care any less if a twink is blasting through it. Means less time finishing the quest.