Remove the ABility of XP Eliminated Plaers to do PvE Queued Content

I admit to watching the bald man now and then but one of his jokes did land. Lotta ya were born to early to be space marine chaplains and born to late to be witch burners. Now you just get angry on the internet.

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Then vote to kick or leave and join another group.

You’re literally the only one trying to deny someone else the ability to play.

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I’m with Darkblade on this. It just feels too cheaty for a level 11 to just push over mobs like toy soldiers. I mean Blizzard can just mail you the TW box every tuesday. Why bother doing the 5 runs if people are going to just nuke the dungeon 5 times for the box and log off. This just encourages 4 people to just sit at the entrance and watch the level 11 nuke the dungeon 5 times like some 3D movie so they can leave for the TW box. This does not encourage game play at all. It does the opposite.

I get people want fast runs but this isn’t how it should be done.

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This. I don’t want to just follow a level 10 arcane mage through a dungeon, not even able to hit my own abilities.

I want to play the game.

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How is the twink not denying me the ability to play when all I can do is press W because they’re one shotting everything?

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It’s like two minutes and they finish the run and you get a free few levels.

If you think it’s a problem you can leave or vote to kick them.

Man it seems you cannot resist complaining about twinks, go through all of the threads concerning this and you will find out the vast majority of the players commenting DO NOT agree with you, but please keep yelling at the sky.

And just a note, after looking at your gear, you could use some runs with twinks to improve it, just a thought.

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For the life of me I dont see why people care. If you dont like the way other people play, dont play with other people?

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Another stupid implementation by Blizzard punishing people for other peoples mistakes So you are setback and if you get it again same dungeon and also a pathetic person playing on a 11 warrior or monk twink then you either have to be super vigilant and just hope the healer keeps you alive long enough to avoid the mobs after second boss and you are able to fall down to the 3rd and beat it with quest credit but that is harder to do than one might think.

Yeah, no, this healer main is going to just keep tailing that level 11 twink. I am not going to waste my limited feathers/chargers/rolls too run back and heal you because you decided to hit an enemy that was just only agro’d.

I am already making sure to not loot trash mobs and only bosses so I can keep pace, just be a good DPS and don’t hit anything and get that fast XP/reward. Just think of the twink as a reward for having to wait almost 20 minutes for your queue.

The quests are not that rewarding. The XP award won’t even move the bar past a certain level.

If you don’t like it, you can always remove yourself from the dungeon in protest. There’s also nothing stopping you from starting your own group or grouping with friends to reduce the chance of running into a twink.

The solution is to change the reward structure, or scaling factors, not prevent them from playing. Make it so player eliminated players aren’t eligible for rewards so there aren’t so many people doing it to farm the celebration badges or tokens for whatever reason they are actively doing it. Or better yet, going back to old TW scaling where everybody is scaled to a level and all their gear is also scaled to an appropriate level.

It’s surprising that nobody is asking for scaling to be fixed, and instead just wants to remove players who have taken it to the extreme. As long as Blizzard allows those extremes players will continue to do it.

The twink is not removing you from content, they are just making you less relevant due to the disparity. This is no different than him farming a TW set and running through. I hate to tell you this but, this exists in all types of content: dungeons, M+, TW, BGS, and raids. It’s just significantly more exacerbated by scaling in TW dungeons. I’m sure when 4 people are doing 50% more damage than you in a raid you don’t go “oh I’m completely useless and unable to play the game” even though the other players are essentially adding 2 extra people in comparison to your DPS.

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What it boils down to is this: scaling in Timewalking is like Remix scaling. And I don’t know if that’s intentional or not. But I don’t think it should be outside of Remix.

In Remix, it’s hilarious and fun. Because that’s what Remix is all about.

In Retail, yes, they need to fix the scaling.

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The problem is content scaling. It’s a fundamentally flawed design. You get weaker as you level. In MoP Remix, if you geared up at max level, you got OP again, more OP than a 20 F2P Holy Priest (twink of choice for Remix).

Retail WoW doesn’t have that payoff at the other end.

This was also entirely predictable and Blizzard was warned

[quote=“Amethvellan-nagrand, post:1, topic:2022157”]. The game just isn’t designed for level 10s and level 80s to be in the same group. So not only did Blizzard create this problem by lowering TW dungeons to level 10, they also killed a community that farmed TW specific gear to make them a little better.

you dont get Quest credit
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First, nobody is doing TW dungeons for the challenge of the content. Like nobody. So let’s get that out of the way.

Second, this can be a problem. I’ve run many dungeons on twinks and, just like being a tank in any dungeon, you have to pull/clear WAY more than you need to because people are incapable of hugging a wall to avoid aggro even when you do it right in front of them. It’s crazy.

So I, for one, do clear. And yes, I’m aware of the dungeon credit issue with Azol Nerub (in particular). I’ll typically wait for someone to get there. Most deaths though are the player’s own fault. You kill the second boss and you just drop down the hole. That’s your responsibility.

You might get sick of them. Why are you trying to decide what other people like or should have?

If I could just queue a TW dungeon on my own I absolutely would. But we don’t have that choice.

But you’re imaginging things if you think a large number of people are upset about this in practice. Vote to kicks are IME incredibly rare. People might leave after one run but it’s hard to distinguish that from people who were only doing 1 run or had done, say, their 5 TW dungeons for the weekly. Anecdotally I get thanked a lot, particularly because TW dungeons are way more of a chore than they were in DF.

Does there need to be a reason other than it’s fun? Serious question. Part of what made Remix great (and easily Blizzard’s best LTM ever) was that it was fun.

I thought TW was in a pretty good state in DF. There was an active community of people who farmed TW-specific gear. The dungeons weren’t overtuned so nobody was really min-maxing. Nobody was really complaining about people not doing enough DPS. Some farmed better TW gear just for fun, really.

And then TWW tuning nosedived. Hard. It’s a little better now but you were getting randomly one and two shot in TW dungeons in early TWW so you couldn’t make big pulls because people would just randomly die. And everything just felt liek more of a chore.

Anyway, as for why other than fun, there are some achievements that are annoying to do at max level, like you have to strip off your gear and take res sickness not to one shot things. There is a use for OP low levels. Some people also twink to play BGs in certain level brackets. That’s not my cup of tea but to each their own.

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Firstly, as a person who plays many twinks, I wholeheartedly disagree with you, I never one shot bosses and 99.9% of twinks do not as well.

What maybe happening is that, you are slower than them, thanks to SL gems and DF necks with tiered slots (which level 10 players and up can use), so they just kill to fast for you to catch up. If that is the case, maybe just use your instacast spells that you certainly have as a lvl 80 hunter, and use aspect of cheetah to keep up.

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I also hate twinks, but really the problem is Blizzard’s scaling.

Low level twinks can kill things so fast that if I’m on a caster I can’t even attempt to learn spells or a rotation. Fights don’t need to be raid boss length but if I’m leveling a warlock it’s really frustrating to feel like I can’t contribute or learn the class.

Blizzard needs better systems where a higher level can kill things faster than a lower level.

Mistweaver monks queued as tank at level 11 doing crazy damage by spamming crane kick is pretty ridiculous.

So does this come down to your fragile ego???

Actually after thinking about it, as a lvl 80 why would you even invest any time into TW, your LEVEL 80, you do not need leveling dungeons or any drops that come from them.

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Twinks are my besties on my fresh 80s knocking out 5 for my chore quest.

Tbh they’ve inspired me to make my own Twink so I can help others bang 'em out and get to the good stuff.

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I love getting twinks in TW runs. Go away.

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I have read through many of the threads that are similar to this one, and you have the same few players complaining about twinks, but here is a reminder to those who like to whine.

You have an entire expansion free of twinks, feel free to play all TWW dungeons/raids/delves free of twinks, but if YOU choose to play old content, thats on you. Ranting in the forums like a spoiled child just makes people laugh at you, some will agree with your stance, but most wont. I think some of you should go play classic for the real grindy stuff if that’s what you like.

I personally am of the opinion work smarter not harder, but the ones ranting must be the work harder type!

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One aspect I miss about Remix is how community-minded people were, like there were a million carry runs on the group finder. Why? Because it was easy. Blizzard keeps trying to make WoW a chore (sorry, “hard”) and we have gold so everybody ends up toxic and all the carry runs are instead paid boosts.

Most people don’t actually want to sweat rated PvP, do the scripted M+ dance at high keys or do Mythic raids. You can tell this because participation is awful and most people will quit when they get their chosen reward (eg Gladiator, KSM, AOTC).

Long past the point where you could’ve bought every tmog with Bronze and Bones of Mannoroth, people were still playing Remix. For fun.

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How about no?

How about asking Blizzard to stop downscaling players so harshly as they approach 80?

How about demanding Blizzard remove ilevel scaling at level 80 which serves no purpose other than to artificially nerf level 80 player power in trivial content like TW?

How about Blizzard fix some of the stupid buggy instances like your AZ example (the second boss won’t come up from down below half the time which keeps the trash spawning endlessly)?

How about making your own ‘no twinks / no 70s / no geared / no speed / go slow’ groups?

How about vote kicking the speedy player (while being willing to get kicked yourself if the rest of the group disagrees and feels you are the issue)?

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