Refuting common arguments against Dual Spec

[Corklis-moon-guard]

@Profits-mankrik

I’m pretty sure 99% of LFG chat being “LF1M Tank” “LF1M heals” is a real problem.

If players refuse to use their networking skills and guilds to find tanks, that’s on them.

@Profits-mankrik

I’m pretty sure that tanks and heals having a hard time doing solo content is a real problem.

You can group up if you are struggling. Or watch guides. Or just respec.

@Profits-mankrik

I didn’t know the MUH NOCHANGES crowd was even still around,

Nope. We’re here for an authentic TBC experience.

[Espuria-whitemane]

@Profits-mankrik

I’m pretty sure 99% of LFG chat being “LF1M Tank” “LF1M heals” is a real problem.

Dual spec doesn’t make more people willing to tank or heal for a PuG. Most guilds have plenty, the people just don’t want to deal with randoms. I’m largely that way myself.

I’m pretty sure that tanks and heals having a hard time doing solo content is a real problem.

Healing gear giving 33% +SP and tanks being a bit more offensive actually makes it a lot better for soloing. In some cases, it’s also better.

[Werkudara-faerlina]

People will get bored way faster if dual spec is going to be implemented, i am speaking as prot warrior who enjoy occasional arms pvp spec.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

@Werkudara-faerlina

People will get bored way faster if dual spec is going to be implemented

what lol

[Arielba-sulfuras]

@Profits-mankrik

You’re essentially arguing that our playstyle choices should be confined to one spec because…because they just should.

Yes. I am saying that.

[Enigmuh-mankrik]

@Arielba-sulfuras

Yes. I am saying that

Yeah, I’m also fine with this.

[Devokk-illidan]

those issues are a problem in retail to this day. druids can tank, heal, melee dps, and caster dps. most are boomie. most paladins are ret, etc.

it’s like that retail joke “a pally, druid, and monk walk into a bar: lf2m tank and heals, then g2g!”

we can do it all in retail. people still would rather just dps. the only thing it’d do is give some ret pally a pve and pvp ret spec.

[Werkudara-faerlina]

Just imagine,
Being pve specced while doing raid or dungeon, and switch to pvp spec soon after you ran out off instances, you can achieve any objectives you want way faster, like farming reps, doing hcs, arena, farming nodes, bgs, dailies etc. after you completed them in a span of 2-3 months then what?? You just wait for the next patch

[Donkles-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Profits-mankrik

Okay. Game doesn’t revolve around you, sweetie.

It doesn’t revolve around you either, sweetheart.

[Arinowene-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Profits-mankrik

I never understood this mindset.

In two posts in a thread you started, you’ve gone from thinking you can refute all the arguments against what you want to acknowledging that you don’t even understand the thought processes of the people who make those arguments.

My advice is to just stick with the honesty of saying “I want it, so I want it.” Less effort, same chance of convincing anyone here, same chance that Blizzard will decide your (et al) voices weigh more than the voices against you.

[Arinowene-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Solairé-sargeras

Currently, I play a tank druid for dungeons, and boomkin for raiding. I will have to pay 50g every raid.

Not have. You will choose to pay 50g every raid, because you will choose to be a moonkin when raiding and a different spec when not raiding. No one’s holding a gun to your head. You could tank raids, you could moonkin dungeons. Your choice, your cost, your concern, and as fair as could be; no class in the game needs to do what you’re choosing to do.

[Dandeelion-mankrik]

@Notglinda-pagle

This is a terrible argument for dual spec.

I agree. I think it’s a terrific argument AGAINST dual spec.

@Bankval-netherwind

Everyone buys gold,

Every player in TBCC cheats? Tell me more…I love me some juicy gossip…

@Elisande-earthfury

Dual spec should be in the game and anyone who disagrees is a no changes nerd that is blind to the fact tbc has like 15 different changes already

Well, either that or an amazing intellect who is smarter than you. Like, someone who has figured out it isn’t ALL or NOTHING. The entire world is in between. The idea that anything is ALL or NOTHING is childish fantasy.

[Khlause-kurinnaxx]

Why would you even need something like that when 50 gold is basically free?

[Enigmuh-mankrik]

@Solairé-sargeras

Currently, I play a tank druid for dungeons, and boomkin for raiding. I will have to pay 50g every raid

I do the same thing. It’s not bad at all. TBC feels like it throws money at me. YMMV

[Iosevka-arugal]

@Profits-mankrik

They stated a lot of things back in 2007. It’s not 2007 anymore.

What a terrible argument. “Blizzard should abandon all pretense of delivering an authentic experience and just implement everything that exists in Retail.”

If that’s what you believe - it’s a free country. But that’s not a compelling reason, and it certainly is not a refutation of the key point.

[Magicblunt-pagle]

@Solairé-sargeras

Currently, I play a tank druid for dungeons, and boomkin for raiding. I will have to pay 50g every raid.

This is extremely unfair, when most classes in the game don’t need to do this.

You don’t need to do this. You are choosing to do this. You can do dungeons as a boomkin or you can raid as a feral. It is your choice to swap between them…

[Septicflesh-arugal]

What surprises me is that people will say dual spec is bad for the game and that we shouldn’t get it for TBCC, yet its fine to have for wrath classic in 18 months. I’d want to see the same people in here saying that they don’t want dual spec for TBCC, in the wrath classic forum advocating to not have it in wrath classic as well, since it’s such an important thing for “identity”.

[Magicblunt-pagle]

Two different games man. Its not hard to understand at all.
Its a part of WotLK no one can dispute it being put in for WotLK

Just wait your 18months to two years and you will get it.

[Jedditelol-deathwing]

5,000G – requires Level 60.

[Pointytusks-ashkandi]

@Profits-mankrik

“dual spec ruins your identity! you would get known as a prot warrior or a holy priest! with dual spec that won’t happen!”

Firstly, I’ve almost never actually seen this happen. Very rarely does someone become known as a “(spec) (class)” unless they only ever play that spec and nothing else. Even so, this argument is just an appeal to emotion, not an actual argument.

Secondly, this is TBC, not retail. Specs are an extension of the class, unlike in retail where each spec may as well be its own individual class. Talent specs in TBC merely enhance the abilities you already have and maybe give you 1-2 new ones. For the most part, classes have CLASS identity, not SPEC identity.

Thirdly, how does being able to use two specs somehow make you unable to be known for one of them? I’m already known in my guild as a great tank and a great healer, even without dual spec. Because I’ve played both specs enough to have people recognize me as being good at them.

“your choices matter! talent choices are supposed to matter!”

They don’t matter when you can pay 50g to change them any time you want, as many times as you want. You’re essentially arguing that our playstyle choices should be confined to one spec because…because they just should.

“we need the respec costs as a gold sink!”

So you just make dual spec cost 1000g like it did back when it was first released. Problem solved.

Also, right now it’s not a very good gold sink because most people aren’t doing it. Most people aren’t respeccing back and forth all the time, simply because the gold cost is too high / they don’t feel like farming a whole ton. I only respec twice per week; going heals for 2 raid days and then back to tank/dps again.

“guilds will force people to have two PvE specs and swap between them in between each raid boss!”

Okay, first off, that’s a problem with the guild being insanely sweaty, not the game. Even so, you could just make it so you can only swap specs in a Rested area. Problem solved.

“it wasn’t in original TBC!”

Neither was the Tinnitus debuff. Or paladins having both factions’ seals. Or having only Kara/Gruul/Mag available at launch. etc. etc.

The “#nochanges” train left the station a long time ago, and turned out to be a disaster.

The needs of the playerbase have changed radically since 2007. We’re not satisfied just being confined to one spec / role. I’d absolutely love to be able to swap between healer and tank on a moment’s notice, without having to run back to Azeroth and pay 50g each time. Especially considering that it’s nigh impossible to farm in a healing spec (outside of things like gathering or fishing), I’d rather just pay 1000g once instead of having to farm up 100g for the respec and respec-back.

Why would people flag this instead of just disagreeing with it

Dual Spec would be good for the game…and spare me the #nochanges thing.