Premades have completely ruined the PvP BG experience. Do something already

Calling me out for something I’ve proven false isn’t calling me out. It’s being in denial, which shouldn’t come as a surprise because the one rational person you have on your side of the fence is decidedly not engaging in the same arguments and behavior you are.

All of his points, which I have given a thumbs up to each time, go ignored by you. Mohz offers a solution, and you pat him on the back, step forward and start screeching about bumping your thread, liars all around you, and how exploiters are ruining your game again.

And if you really want an answer? I’m not. Plain and simple. I don’t do what you’re describing, I just also know that the claim that it is, or should be according to blue posts, an exploit that people should be punished for is a fabrication you’re holding up with twigs and Elmer’s glue.

So tell me, why aren’t you talking about any of the solutions or points for his solutions that Mohz brought up? I’ve mentioned it enough times, now, but you insist on calling me a liar for things I can quote, point out and rationalize as truth to an acceptable degree.

Is it because solutions aren’t what you want?

what experience are you looking for?
Do you understand the strategy, do you come geared, do you work with the other members of your group to succeed?
See as a long time PvP player going back to BC who geared up via the PvP system, I have encountered way too many players who took BG’s as a curiosity or a joke.
Now I always said that such players find no welcome in PvE raid contents why then should we PvPer cater to them. Dedicated PvP players take the PvP contents as serious as PvE players take PvE contents. Nobody wants a poor healer, bad tank or under geared players in their group who dont know what they are doing, why then shouldn’t pre-made fall under the same standards, a group of players who want to excel in PvP contents.
The fault here is the system, not the pre-made players. I have always said that BG’s should be grouped by a gear level score rather than a character level.
Noobs and greens can group together while more serious PvP players looking for a challenge can group like wise.
But since Wrath, Blizz has so screwed up the PvP scene to cater to PvE players who never filled the ranks like Blizz expected, that it isn’t even fun anymore.

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Exactly. This guy gets it.

Again, making more stuff up. You lied about my original post and you’re lying now.

You don’t even do this content. You’re defending players who intentionally ruin the game of other players. That’s all I need to know about you. The second you stepped into this thread you started agreeing with them.

Claim? What the hell? Go to the bg forums. Tell those players that their ‘claim’ isn’t real. Tell them their game experience is being ruined as outlined in the CoC.

Anyways, you’re a waste of time. But yes, please keep bumping this. The more visibility the better.

You know what…I don’t even care if it is. If it’s not, the rules are wrong and need to change.

Premades should go to rated. Random should be solo to 5 man, and especially as long as you can only queue that way anything else shouldn’t be allowed.

All the rest is just noise to justify taking advantage of a system. Legality doesn’t make things morale. If Blizzard thinks having only 5 people able to queue but allowing premades make sense I just flat out think they are wrong. I don’t think that is true, but it is immaterial to the issue.

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That would be swell. And link it back here so we can put an end to this matter.

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it’s already been done.

the issue is, it’s not the answer people want.

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It’s in the CoC. This isn’t confusing.

it’s really not.

you’ve taken a snippet, and attempted to apply your own meaning to it.

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Stop replying. Common sense does not work with these posters.
Wait for Blizzard’s stance and either suffer through it or quit unrated if it remains unclear/favoring the exploit.
That’s what I’ll be doing.

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Nah, it’s clear in it’s meaning.

anything else that may degrade the gaming experience for other players will receive harsh penalties.

Anything. It’s broad for a reason. They can’t cover every aspect of this game. That we are here arguing about it is proof enough. That there are tons of posts in the BG forums about it is proof enough.

Are you going to deny that players are having their experience degraded?

This bar is set very low.

This is the best way I can think of getting it in front of them. I’m happy to argue with them if more people can see this topic and hopefully weigh in. :slight_smile:

yes.

i am.

it doesn’t take a premade to force the enemy team into their gy and spawn camp.

there are people whose experience is degraded simply by not winning every match.

…and it’s a horrid experience when your team is entirely automated and none are able to communicate.

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So you admit their experience is being degraded. Got it. A+ response.

You’re just saying you don’t care. That’s fine. I do.

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The last this happened to me was a EotS in… WoD IIRC.
Bots running rampant was never a thing in DF.
I’ve seen at most 2 bots in a random regular BG.

Not a single mention of a solution in this entire response. Just more accusations, as if I didn’t quote directly from your OP multiple times to make my point.

Again with the “you don’t do this content, so everything you say doesn’t matter.”

And more “waste of time, keep bumping” after earlier telling me to leave.

What about this, Adroi?

What about discussing literally any proposed solution instead of chasing demons day in and day out, brother?

Are you not exhausted by now? Is progress not what you want?

These are random posts I just came across from hard scrolling. That’s it. They’re all over in this thread, but all you seem remotely interested in is exploit vs not.

I’m literally telling you to discuss it in earnest and you’re telling me “no, you’re a liar.” It’s ridiculous.

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And which answer would that be? The one where vrak doesn’t actually say he supports what is being discussed here due to his statements ambiguity? Or the one from drax where he appears to imply that they don’t?

Perhaps there’s another statement you care to link that hasn’t yet been addressed in this thread?

You see the problem now?

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just curious, but is there any reason you can’t take words at face value?

if you had a leg to stand on, you wouldn’t need to keep twisting words to suit your narrative.

why would discussion be discouraged?

(not sure which posts you’re talking about, but there is nothing ambiguous about being told it’s not breaking any rules)

if there was an actual problem, the issue would be able to stand on its own… without the need to re-interpret the rules.

Not sure why you need a statement on something that has existed in the game for at least a decade and is well known. If Blizzard has never pushed back on it or suspended anyone over it, safe to say they are either fine with it or neutral.

As for the thing about ruining someones experience, Blizzards stance when it comes to PvP has always been the same: PvP problems have PvP solutions. Its the exact same stance they have to people getting camped in Warmode.

Pretty rude of you honestly, throwing insults. Now you proved them correct. Anyone siding with Snoz is very incorrect and always does the same thing.

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Yes… how dare I throw insults at someone who refuses to discuss things head on, instead preferring to ignore any post I place with any gravity.

Surely “coward” is not apropos when I have still not gotten a response on this post.

And I likely won’t, at least not a response that addresses what I’m talking about. He’ll call me a liar again, and he’ll get more back pats from Kaledin and other people who come in just to spite Snozex.

What I mean to say is; thanks, your words mean a lot to me.

Hidden profile, 11 posts, coming out of the woodwork to defend one person and slander another.

Gee, I wonder what that could mean.

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