I’ll see that we’re stuck with the worst version of AV to be released during vanilla. That’s the picture.
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Blizzard still hasn’t learned sh*t. You can’t choose what BG to que for on retail in premades and no one wants to do half of them bc they are horrible, the azerite one is an affront to god.
Casual BG rewards are worse than literal WQ loot you get for having 60iq and being able to breathe.
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I wouldn’t mind that tbh, hell, i wouldn’t mind any AV version, because i never experienced them … well people say 1.12 AV is the long lost twin brother of retail AV but still…
There was only ONE TIME during my time playing AV in retail (Cata-BFA) that i seen the Horde Elemental Boss summoned on the battlefield.
Hell, he was way smaller than the one i saw in the video, but still, it was a group effort which was cool.
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Hence why cults are evolutionary dead ends.
Lok grows in size and power with each enemy he kills. Which is partly why him milling around the field of strife for a while before moving north was a Good Thing.
Irrelevant to the topic but whatever floats your boat.
Irrelevant to the topic in a thread titled “please implement old AV”
Are you insane?
It’s all fine and good for someone who’s still playing retail to say “as long as classic is better than BfA I’m happy”. It’s not one or the other for those of us who have left the game already. There is no “backup” WoW in case this turns out not to be so fun after all. I wouldn’t touch BfA with a barge pole and I’d like classic to be held to a higher standard than that. Just like 4 content phases wasn’t good enough and we improved the game by asking for more.
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Two types of lies: lies, and damn lies. This would be the latter, because Big Z.12 here knows it, because I’ve told him countless times.
1.5 - 1.7 -> 125 days.
1.8 - 1.10 -> 252 days.
1.11 - 2.0.1 -> 169 days.
You do not argue in good faith.
Stop bothering people who are having good-faith discussions. Stop ‘contributing’ lies. Stop getting in the way of real conversations.
Also, I assumed that you meant 1.5 - 1.7 AV because the major breakpoints have always been 1.5, 1.8, and 1.11. If you actually meant 1.5 and 1.8 versions combined? 377 days. So I assumed you didn’t want to make the numbers worse for your preferred marks farm.
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Well people are groomed into doing that if both sides are rushing that is, do to how retail bgs function.
That is all it shows us when you take a bunch of people who were groomed into rushing for instant gratification then they end up sitting in front of their bosses waiting for something to happen.
In a live version with honor cross realm you probably will start having people on the horde side afk 10+ people while alliance rush or so is how it went with 1.12.
They weren’t chosen because they wanted old AV but because of other reasons.
So you shouldn’t use them as examples, because that is how AV will turn out because people like to follow what is hip and now and not understand it at all.
You can have peaceful protest and if your not careful who you let in you will usually get someone who throws rocks at people because they don’t understand the cause, only thing they understand its hip right now,
Either way people do want old AV you shouldn’t expect those who do not care about AV to be an example of it.
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Im missing the point? You asked for how an ealier version would help prolong the battles I gave you many.
Your entire premise hinges on the fact that people dont want a long av means they will zerg it regardless of what version. My counter to that is that one of the big draws of av are the rewards for killing korrak. The fact that he doesn’t spawn immediately and that only one side can kill him means there will be fights over him and zergs wont form right away. Also the npcs beimg more abundant and stronger on top of mines ect will kill members of said zerg all the way which means less people are needed to halt that zerg. If the alliance zerg is halted they will have to take out the horde zerg therefore creating reasons to summin the elementals riders etc…
All the while premades will still zerg it in any of its forms. The earlier avs are harder for a pug to do so. The fact that people dont want long avs means that every obstacle in their way and incentives placed in av for them to prolong the battle will lead to turtles and longer pvp battles. And if im wrong and theres no difference and it gets zerged anyway theres no reason not to have the earlier one.
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Well if you’re going to be inclusive with the ending patch then 2.0 adds more time onto that as well. Regardless 1.8 - 1.10, using your conventions, was not a static AV, 1.8, 1.9 and 1.10 all says changes to AV as well, meaning each individual version lasted even less than 1.5-1.7 or 1.11-1.12.
So yes it is very fair to say that the most stable version of AV in vanilla was in fact 1.11-1.12.
Its also fair to say its the version closest to retail. Also that its the version with the least amount of content. Also its the easiest to zerg.
In my opinion its the worst version. I would compromise with an av weekend or something where we had the earlier version.
Least amount of content? There are plenty of dungeons and raids I can do if I want pve content, that’s not why I’m in a BG in the first place.
Still wrong. First, we can’t include 2.0.1 – it was literally the Burning Crusade pre-patch, it had all the talent and ability changes, Vanilla was officially over, but it’s good to know how far you’re willing to reach to find that straw. If you want to talk about TBC’s AV, we can have a whole conversation about that, but I think the points will lean toward ‘1.11 should be TBC’s AV and 2.3 should be Wrath’s.’
Second, there were no significant mechanical changes in 1.9. And if you take 1.8 and 1.9 without 1.10 – guess how long that lasted? 169 days. Which makes you, yet still, wrong. It’s exactly the same as 1.11 AV’s duration in Vanilla – and 1.8 had far more in common with all the other AV patches than 1.11’s AV does.
So, no, 1.11’s AV was not the most ‘stable version.’ 1.8 lasted two whole patches as well with no changes, and by comparison to 1.11, 1.10 was relatively minor in changes.
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Almost 100 posts and over half of it is retards saying UH 1.12 NO CHANGES instead of arguing why one is better/worse. No changes crowd sh*t the bed already when we have layering, loot trading, right click report, automated GM’s etc… just give up. And no this isn’t some slippery slope where anyone is going to entertain class balance or itemization changes, AV was part of vanilla wow and we want it’s best iteration not the watered down trash.
Ya I know not everyone is but this is mind boggling how dumb people are on official forums make reddit look smart lmao.
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Been watching the streams of the AV stress test.
The NPCs and guards seem so weak. It’s troubling since the player characters on the test aren’t even level 60 yet still slaying them with ease.
Real old AV please.
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If you dont like av then play wsg or av. The point of av was pvpve. Also i like how you danced around my point by hanging up a strawman and not addressing what i said at all. But we all know your just a troll that wanted transmog or updated character models or whatever change you didnt get so now you’re salty and want to troll to make you feel better. I dont even think you legit wanted said changes only to troll because you got off on spamming the wall of no but you cant do it any more.
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1.12 AV is still pvpve, it just leans more on the side of pvp than the pve side than earlier versions. Which was kind of the point of the changes.
So by that note, if you want pve there’s plenty of dungeons and raids you can do.
And the middle ground is the best of both. 1.7-1.8 is the best mix of pvpve. But you dont really care. Every one in this forum section knows your a disingenuous troll.
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