Please Implement Old AV

Classic is a monument in video gaming history, and with attempting to preserve and recreate one of the greatest video games ever, one of it’s most significant features is left out.

When people are asked of Classic and even when talking of it, the one thing that always comes up is the Old AV experience. Whether it be Battles of epic proportions lasting hours, even multiple days. Or encountering and fighting multiple bosses and difficult enemies. Old AV was what a true battle is supposed to feel like.

The AV that Blizzard intends to push out is not this grand battle. It’s a watered down AV that was nerfed down due to mark of honor farming, and turned into a complete zerg by good groups.

Take a look at the outcry by dedicated fans against this decision recently. Look at the outcry of fans against the changing of AV since it happened. Recreating Old AV was one of, if not the biggest desire for the community for years. Here we are now in the hour in which we finally have the original game being released, and the old AV that has been desired for so long is still ignored. And it will remain gone in history unless Blizzard decides to listen to all the outcry and clamoring for one of the greatest things Vanilla had to offer.

Not implementing old AV is a grand mistake Blizzard. So I ask, even if this will never be read by a higher up or a blue, just please give us old AV. There’s still time to right a wrong.

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I remember liking it when they reduced the PvE aspect a little bit. I also remember feeling like they went too far. If I remember correctly those events occurred at 1.8 and 1.10 or 1.11 respectively.

So my vote is for a re-implementation of 1.8, though given a choice between 1.5 and 1.11 (the version on the beta) I’d vote for 1.5.

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feels to much like current AV

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Given the time line of the existence of marks of honor I’m going to go ahead and say that is factually incorrect.

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Sorry bro but #nochanges.

Even though I agree that certain changes can definitely enhance classic wow, the question that follows afterwards is where does one draw the line?

Once we allow one change then that opens Pandora’s box and allows for other changes to be considered.

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The 1.8 av patch does seem to be the most authentic representation of a true AV.

If blizzard is that adamnent about removing NPCs because they think they were to hard,
Then I would gladly take the damage reduction nerf that happen in 1.8.

This would be much preferable instead of the complete removal on NPCs and landmines which occurred in 1.12.

These kind of nanny nerf policy making decisions based around blizzards personal feelings of classic make me worried about how the overall state of the game will be delivered.

Until watching the streams this weekend, I had no idea just how bad the 1.12 patch was in terms of nerfing and trivializing content.

How many other unforeseen aspects of classic will be watered down on 1.12 that we weren’t aware of?

How many boss mechanic changes went through the life cycle of vanilla?

Just how radically different was Ragnaros upon release vs the 1.12 Ragnaros on catch up difficulty?

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Old AV was in Vanilla, that’s not exactly a change.

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How is this asking for changes?

For the majority of vanillas life span, AV had npcs, only in the final patch in preparation for tbc were they removed.

Removing npcs and landmines from AV is changing classic.

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As were many other features, yet we don’t seem to be getting them as well.

Vanilla is the game from 2004 up until BC, not a single patch.

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Because you are asking to experience an AV that did not exist in the patch we are getting.

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If Vanilla is 2004 to BC, then adding in something from that span would be considered #nochanges.

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If 1.12 is the least accurate representation possible then this is a problem for classic.

1.8 AV is not changing classic.

If anything this AV weekend has shown we need to have a real conversation on how starting on a 1.12 patch without considering what changes occured in the lifespan of the game between this final patch has real implications that can greatly trivialize early game content.

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Sorry bro but no. There are plenty of other features that were implemented/removed during that time period which people would like to see in the version of Classic that we are getting, yet you don’t see them getting their way.

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They’re doing a lot of things that did not exist in 1.12, so where is the problem?

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1.5 - 1.8 AV lasted less time in vanilla than 1.11-2.0 AV. And the version inbetween lasted even less time than either of those.

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Couldn’t agree more with this.

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None of the changes they’re doing IE mount costs are nearly as major as changing the entire design of a zone.

Whether they implement old AV or not doesn’t really concern me. However, if it does get implemented then I also want to see dishonorable kills removed.

Do you see what’s happening? Once one certain segment of the audience gets what they want, then the other will start requesting that their features get introduced.

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Um, this isn’t a change. Old AV is literally vanilla WoW.

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As long as the stuff they do fall into the “Vanilla” timeline I really don’t care all that much.

Just has to be Authentic to Vanilla for me to want to play and I am good.

However I am not above complaining and making a case for my favored components of the vanilla experience.

When its all finished I will be happy regardless because it’s gonna be 100000X better than playing BFA.

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