Pandaren Summit

Wyrmrest Accord
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Honestly and I say this without any disrespect to you now I know where you’re coming from: I just don’t have the time.

All your points originate from the idea that Pandaren culture is monolithic(which to a degree it is) while also dismissing the organic interactions that happen between characters, guilds, communities and so forth on this server that have cultivated this one particular event, over the course of now three expansions, to be what it is. And there’s a part of me that can see you have some validity to your points, at least in that there is a possibility that someone could see the exclusion of other races as a negative. I myself am fine with that.

Google “Pandaren Summit”. Excluding the threads that are now gone because of deletion from the old forums, you’ll see that even when non-pandaren attend, the only rules that are strictly enforced is limiting the spam of chat/emotes during speaker events and respecting(at least OOCLY :wink:) the people present. If non-pandaren show up 99% of the time nothing happens to them in reality. And the extreme few who did show up didn’t disrupt the gathering and so were tolerated.

Except when that Mogu RPer popped in but that’s a whole different story. :man_shrugging:t6:

“Pandaren Summits” prior in their design have benefited guilds, collaborators, and the community in the format that it has been. And the fact that it continues to be remembered fondly among the playerbase as it continues to be brought up says something about not just the premise but the dedication of those involved to make them so successful.

Litterally the only thing I’ve asked since starting the event is “be pandaren”. Just for that -one- event.

Imperial Tournament? Pandaria based event. Bring anyone you’d like. Take all ze gold.

Assembly of the White Tiger? Pandaria Event. Bring everyone under the sun.

There’s so many tea festivals, roll events, hosted in Pandaria for anyone of any character to bring whomever you’d like. If I have a black and white party? Are yall going to show up in red outfits?

As I’ve said, again, since I am only one vote in this. Ya’ll can do whatever you want. But I think it’s disrespectful to keep pushing that I upend the entire formula/culture of an event for the sake of meeting every accommodation of one or two people.

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This isn’t about my pandaren or non pandaren, this is about the image it gives for pandaren in general, as I’ve stated before.

I have only ever played Pandaren because of their inclusivity. I have roleplayed Pandaren because their culture is welcoming and open minded. Nothing of “You can’t bring other pandaren” is inclusive, and it goes against the reason why I love pandaren.

Maybe it is just me I guess, but if the Pandaren rp community wishes to be more exclusive and disclude others from their events (Even going so far as to talk only in pandaren), then so be it.

I’m going to drop out of this thread now, since it’s clear my arguments are doing nothing. It’s surprising to me that this is what it’s come down to, but I can only provide my points to support my perspective and those on my side. Since it’s being largely ignored and your arguments simply being re-iterated, then so be it. I can only hope that this does not paint an image of the pandaren roleplaying community being an exclusive group based on race. We are better than that, but apparently not here.

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It’s literally one in a hundred. We’d all support any of us creating an event that’s all-inclusive. But this is to celebrate the race themselves, or so I’ve gathered. Taran above hosted a Pandaren Festival in the Vale some years ago and it was GREAT! I loved it! There were all races present and it was a great time! But there was certainly one thing distinct about it from the Summit: Pandaren were vastly outnumbered. And here we are, discussing an event on Pandaren taking stock of their clans/guilds/etc. and that possibility hovering over it if so many accommodations are made despite how it’s been organized in the past.

It’s tried and true. It’s fair. The race itself is no less inclusive just for having one event in a year to discuss their views on world events as a whole.

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I can honestly say! its pretty inclusive! i RP as a half yaungol/half pandaren and im pretty welcomed there :smiley:

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Vrang, I don’t think one event of all the pandaren events being (somewhat) exclusive means it’s framing an entire direction for the pandaren rp community as a whole. Especially since it appears this particular event has been mostly this way for it’s history.

The event is probably gonna be what the bulk of people interested in it want it to be. Personally I’m indifferent. But look back over the posts and read the room.

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Google Pandaren and Wyrmrest Accord. You’ll find in searches 11 RP event listings of old or sponsored by guilds.

Only one. 1. Suggests Pandaren only.

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So why is it so important that it is Pandaren only? Seems like a redundant rule but not a rule really?

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I do want to clarify a few things:
I’ve been a speaker at the summits but never ran one myself. The organizer baton has been passed around before, but this is definitely not my event to dictate what happens in it. I want to help support it.

I do like organizing events, but my ability to is somewhat impeded upon by a full time job. I definitely have to work with others if I want something ran, even the small scale events, which is why it’s important to start with a discussion at least. If we are having the consensus that another should happen, and it should be similar to the last four, then I suppose the next thing to ask would be what would be a good time, date, location, and point of discussion? And do we have any guild or group to volunteer as host?

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It’s the spirit of the event that -I- wanted to create. But I as a person am not so much of a dick to just kick people out who can respect why the event is what it is.

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Fair enough.

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As a safeguard, I would think. I can only speak from personal experience, but I mentioned above the Festival of Light (Taran’s event he hosted) and we were by far outnumbered. But that was fine; it was irrelevant to the core of the event itself. In regards to the Summit, it’s quite relevant.

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I am deeply saddened by this. I cannot in good conscience attend nor aid with the event. I wish you all good luck in your event.

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We’re just waving our digital action figures around and pretending they’re talking to each other.

Nothing about this situation should weigh on your conscience.

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I’d suggest an Alliance based guild should host if only that they’ve been hosted Horde the last three. And while the guilds who have are more “Pro Pandaria” than “Pro X faction” it’ll help with optics. Steelpaw ‘could’ host again. But I myself at the earliest couldn’t do so till after the 27th. And a change in atmosphere might be refreshing.

This.

Though at least we got Pandaren players talking again. :sweat_smile:

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This is, like, exactly why I feel so blindsided about this whole debate. I think it’s good to have these discussions, but I sense that some feel personally aggrieved when it’s just… pretend. These are pixels and fictional characters.

What I will confess bugs me is that there’s been so many implications that the Pandaren community is just super prejudiced or something – the opposite of which I’ve experienced. Every race has race-exclusive events and the like. Every one. As someone that’s been playing this game since literally the very beginning, the Pandaren community is one of the most open and friendly.

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It may sound dismissive but the attempt to cater to everyone will inevitably lead to whatever event falling through. The centrifuge of an event is auteurship, collective or individual. To this they choose when, what, where, how, the why and everything inbetween. People can and usually do feel wronged about things that are entirely benign. When you try to open a dialogue to get to the root of the problem it becomes only more and more time consuming with no payout.

Here’s hoping those who wish for something else find it and enjoy themselves.

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I mean, I’m still 5,000% on board to aid with making a separate event that’s all-inclusive! I like the idea of a cultural festival with dancing, food, booze, etc.! Maybe some friendly rivalry with Dwarven/Pandaren/Orcish brewers and such. :laughing:

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In regards to when/where and who will be hosting, the next couple of months will be pretty hectic for me personally. So I could not see myself being able to put my guild up in the air for hosting, at least for the near future. I will fight tooth and paw to make it to a Summit though should it fall during this time for me, and always willing to help out where I and my guild can!

I know SS and Kui Zhang hosted before, and you two lean Horde from what I understand, and we hosted and we lean Neutrality. But, we did also technically have the Topaz Tigers on our committee as well, and they typically lean Alliance.
I do agree though despite that, that it would be nice and a welcome addition/change to see an Alliance host this year!

Also, more large Pandaren-themed and all-inclusive server events and or festivals is a yes from me!

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Well, it’s not like any of this has to happen ASAP. It could be a late summer or fall thing. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people have summer plans. I know I myself do a bit of IRL volunteering this time of year too. But I am hoping this is just taking the first steps to brainstorming (though it may not be a bad idea to make a discord server or group discussion for the more technical brainstorming parts).

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Y-you mean this isn’t happening before the end of 2021? :cry:

I don’t really host any guild events or anything these days, but I’m down to host if needed. But I think a collaboration would be the best way to go! Could make for a cool change. But I’m just tossing out ideas. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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