Last night’s thread ended the same :
Bunch of Overwolf fanboys defending them and their hostile takeover of the biggest add-on hosting site to then hold them hostages behind a paywall.
Wowinterface is wholly out of date on many add-ons, Github is not an add-on development and hosting site, it doesn’t have the required infrastructure that add-on managers need to function, it’s just an online git repository hosting site with some CI functionality built in.
Ah I see you have zero actual experience with them then, I’ll let you find out first hand while the rest of us use superior clients.
Dude, this is what you’re in the process of defending :
Wow, how awful it must be to hear that players want to continue to have a convenient way to quickly install addons without being taken advantage of with an overabundance of ads and malware from a shady company.
Got em bro. Good job.
So Overwolf has no grounds for their threats and people could threaten to sue them over this.
He was just saying “we need more places to upload addons” we have them, but they’re not paying devs, so why would they use them.
What about using WowUp?
That is the issue right now, Overwolf is going againts other third party managers and trying to kill them off.
Overwolf is trying to stop Wowup and others from working.
Not picking a side. Just adding some context.
Curse HAS had its fair share of extremely negative practices in the past. Them being purchased by Twitch helped add some legitimacy. So, while people argued, their misgivings were not as aggrieves as Overwolf’s have been historically.
As for the wowhead stuff. That was a tribal war between those who were diehard Thotbot people and the new clean non filled with crap wowhead (man I miss those days!!)
Devs can’t monetize add-ons anyway. The thing with curse is that it has many actual integrated tools that make add-on hosting convenient, like all the built in discussion forums (which on Github would be relegated to issues which aren’t really good for that), documentation pages, and the API that allows querying add-on information.
Github is a generic git repository site, it’s not a game add-on site. It’s not specifically aimed or tailored for it.
Wowinterface is closer. But it’s wholly out of date, and lacks many of the features of Curseforge. There’s a reason Curseforge became top dog.
And Overwolf stepping in, and taking add-ons hostages now that Curse has been established (something Overwolf had no actual participation in) is downright predatory and vile. Especially considering their whole “schtick” is game overlays that phone home, sell your game playing metrics to 3rd parties and then bombards you with ads.
I don’t think payment model is really what keeps them at curse. Its probably more to do with the fact that 90%? Of the player base only bother looking at the curse website for add-ons so that’s where the addon authors go. Similar situation with youtube. Making money on youtube is actually really difficult. So content creators use patreon etc to actually make money but still upload to youtube cause that’s where the eyeballs are.
And they weren’t, they were getting paid through ad revenue, just as they would with Overwolf, so they really have no incentive to go anywhere else.
There are no ads in the Twitch client.
Except unlike under Twitch’s management, Overwolf wants to force ads down our throats, and fill your computer with Overlays and other garbage.
The biggest issue right now is Overwolf threatening other add-on managers and saying they shouldn’t be allowed to exist, because web scraping is bad.
But then Trustlvlfour just posted this fun tidbit, making Overwolf’s threats something people can sue them over:
On September 9 2020, the U.S. 9th circuit court of Appeals ruled that web scraping public sites does not violate the CFAA (Computer Fraud and Abuse Act). This is a really important decision. The court not only legalized this practice, but also prohibited competitors from removing information from your site automatically if the site is public. The court confirmed the clear logic that the entry of the web scraper bot is not legally different from the entry of the browser. In both cases, the “user” requests open data — and does something with it on their side.
I’ve seen addon devs flat out state they would often allow wowinterface uploads to go out of date so they people would have to go to curse because they got paid there.
The twitch client itself is an ad for twitch.
Thank my raid leader, he brought it up. >< lol
IIRC one of the problems with it was that it was bloated and ran in the background all the time, even when it was supposedly closed.
Can’t verify though.
Yeah, stuff Im not interested in in the slightest.
Anyone remember when ad authors did it for fun and not profit?
Again, it probably won’t affect them because Overwolf is not based in the US.
Some things, like DBM, take up so much of the developers time they wouldn’t exist if they couldn’t get some money for it. Pretty sure the guy who makes DBM only job now is making DBM.
Overseas companies aren’t allowed to just ignore other countries laws.