Yup he’s alright. Not a roleplayer… Only ever disagreed with his solo que views. I also enjoy cdew/Ven/Supa etc etc who are all also r1 pvpers and say the same thing.
you should listen to papa mud
Gear matters, its not the reason you’re low rated. Does oozo understand now? OOGA BOOGA MY ORC
Eh I’d disagree here… PvP in wow is quite lol like. Different classes/specs/builds/comps.
As I’ve kinda shared… If you roleplay I get it but that’s where dragon slaying comes in.
Eh it’s not about being “fair”. It’s about making it as skill based as it possibly can. Gear disparity is inherently anti competition.
Like I said, anything tbc- wod I’m okay with. Hell having two items being rating locked (ie shoulders and helm or something) I’d be okay with. Your entire set being a higher ilvl no matter how big is dumb.
Mud can roleplay that way and enjoy his gear advantage all while making PvP much more skill based.
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the video was pretty stupid, they were very low cr the ret was a r1 and they had a negative win ratio and only showed the games they actually managed to win.
skill capped is getting desperate for vids
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IDK why you’re being so defensive and flat out rude to this guy. I understand skill matters but what does skill have to do with these videos by Skillcapped? All they are trying to do is create viral advertise videos in order to get subs for Skillcapped.
Does skill matter? Yes. Does gear? Yes. Does skill matter more than gear? Definitely.
But the video posted in this thread doesn’t show that. It shows players abusing mmr mechanics.
Also, for once and for all to end the skill > gear fiasco because it’s getting old please, if you’re 3k rated take the real challenge.
Que at your current highest rating, except have everyone on the team equip low ilvl gear.
If you drop 100 points gear might matter
If you drop 200 points gear definitely matters
Doubt you would drop 300 points or more as that would be insane.
BTW I don’t know any of you but try to be nicer to each other. We’re all ‘boomers’ playing a 17 year old video game. No reason to have an attitude.
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But, the priest got to 1800 which totally proves their point about… erm, how you can abuse MMR to do carries or something.
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exactly it’s just a mmr boost with a negative win/loss. they could keep queing and loss more and the priest would eventually climb to try and match the pallies mmr.
it’s a dumb system and the reason why all these boosters exist
Your challenge doesnt really match with whats actually happening. We’re talking about lower rated arenas, where most people arnt max geared. Trust me i know, ive qd probably 500 2s over the last week around 1600-2k with random healers. I can tell you, most of the games depending on mmr their gear matches.
Also at lower brackets there is a massive room for improvement.
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People dodging muds question like theyre full haste corrupted bfa dhs in blade dance during meta smh.
This xpacks meta of forum posters is goal post movers. Games so much better than what we had in BFA. Bigger issues exist like LFG just generally being bad and not user friendly. So many problems could be remedied with stuff like making a hub where every1 that pvps can hang out. Use to meet so many partners just shooting the shizz in durotar and Elwynn. Games a social game at its core especially pvp.
Ironically playing with people you enjoy with makes you a lot better and can form a base of consistency. I imagine a lot of people who are hardstuck low cr are probably super toxic in game.
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You clearly don’t understand the point of my challenge. Ofcourse you would expect Xot or a player who is 3k would be able to hit 1600. But you said in an earlier post that everyone would be exactly at the rating they are at despite gear, so my question is, why is a 3k rated player stuck @ 1600 if gear doesn’t matter?
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He wasnt stuck, he got 1600 which now opens him to getting 213 gear. Thats the gear progression, he was able to use his skill and game knowledge to push his cr.
People need to stop blaming gear, partner, boosters, classes or anything they can think of and try working on improving as a player. You wont become a better player complaining or blaming other factors on why you’re the rating you are. Put in the time and effort to learn from your mistakes and get the cr you want. Simple.
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I cant take the forums serious when PvP gearing is bad and not fun (HELP) - PVP / Arenas - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com) is a thing and existed during Legion when gear didn’t matter. Had an entire xpack of BFA where pve gear was king and people hated that. We have a system where you get gear for pvping and you have to pvp a lot I agree honor needs to be buffed in terms of gain but you guys dont need to do m+ anymore.
We’re getting a WoD hybrid next patch.
In legion it was no gear customization that made the game bad now its having gear in a competitve area that makes it bad.
This stuff doesn’t even address class balance. No matter what system you guys will make a new goalpost.
: ) Gear matters participations shot up a ton. Biggest issue this season is how long its been how long it takes to actually upgrade the gear and as always class balance.
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So true buddy
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People wouldnt complain about gear as much if it didnt take 300+ games to actually upgrade the stuff. And tbh shorter seasons where there was like for example in 9.05 if the base of conq gear started at 213 ilvl instead of 200 would do wonders with a new season starting like we saw in legion.
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Legion seasons were op
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I genuinely miss that xpack so much. First time I hit 2k first time I got 2.4k. M+ was at its best raiding was crazy fun hit 5.3k io and was top 20 for dhs in the world. Alts in pvp just for memes were fun you just hit cap got some ap and Q’d up.
Really depresses me I wasn’t better demonic gladiator is my favorite mount in the game and I’ll never have it. Legion outside class design for pvp was actually 1 of their best products in terms of gameplay loop. I seriously think if we saw wod or mop class design it would be the best xpack ever released.
The video shows none of this. People didn’t answer your question because it was irrelevant, not because it was uncomfortable.
Yes, this player could climb even at a gear disadvantage in normal circumstances but what the video actually showed was him losing rating in the process of MMR boosting another player.
If you are trying to make a point at least make a video that supports the point trying to be made.
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The biggest issue is the ones that are having the most trouble climbing will not see the value because they don’t know what they are looking at
if only youtube videos had a WA to tell them what they need to see and do =(
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Gear matters in PvP.
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If you are at a gear disadvantage you absolutely will lose games because of it.
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PvP is a competition.
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Competitions necessitate a fair playing field.
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PvP was fine MoP-Legion with essentially no gear advantages.
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Most good players would prefer to win because they played better and not because they outgeared someone.
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When gear didn’t matter the best players were still the best.
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Gear disadvantages ruin alts which leads to less ladder participation especially as the season progresses.
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Gear disadvantages discourage new and returning players from participating in PvP.
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Gear disadvantages make climbing to your potential take 10x longer than it should just so Blizzard can milk everyone dry for time played.
I think most of us would agree these things are true. My point in mentioning them is just to add clarity to the discussion because from my perspective there are two separate arguments going on here:
- There are people arguing that gear isn’t holding you back from whatever your potential is.
- There are people arguing that gear matters in PvP.
Both of these are true and I haven’t seen anyone saying they’d be 3k if gear was equalized, and I haven’t seen anyone say gear doesn’t matter. It’s just a constant back and forth over two different things. This is obviously exactly what the OP wanted to happen as well lol. If you’re going to argue at least be arguing about the same thing.
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