Not playing classic

[Marufrozen-ursin]

Do you think any of the people on here that say they will NOT play classic based on X change will actually not play? or do you think they are just saying they wont play but that they will actually play?

I mean, yes. Yes I do think some of them won’t play classic. Some people are stubborn like that. Isn’t making fun of them what everyone did in retail even as sub numbers dwindled?

All the quitting threads with people saying “Can I have your stuff?” and “See you in a few months.” certainly existed and probably still exist today. Ever stop and think whether that person really did come back? Same concept. Some people who say it actually do mean it.

The majority though I’m sure will play.

You’re lying about not being subbed? You literally cannot post on the forums without an active subscription,

Not true. I’m not subbed and I can post.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

If blizzard makes it too close to what PSs are already providing, I am sure a considerable number will see classic as pointless.

[Cybaster-cenarion-circle]

You’re lying about not being subbed? You literally cannot post on the forums without an active subscription, has been that way for years. So by your deceit, you will definitely be playing classic when it comes out. Not to mention most classic servers said they were going to be shutting down when classic launches due to there not being a reason to have a private server and of course legal reasons as well. So enjoy classic, buddy.

Which forums? At the very least, old accounts don’t require a sub to post in the Classic forums. I don’t think this account has been subbed since the BC or Wrath era.

Also, yeah, they said they’ll be shutting down, if Classic launches and it’s a worthy tribute. Looks good enough, so far. But anyone with half a brain is waiting to see what they actually serve up before committing to anything major, and that includes the owners of The One Actually Good vanilla server.

[Luuni-area-52]

But private servers are violating copyright laws and can be closed at any time.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Some use it as a weight to try and force what they want.
Some mean it seriously.

I have a few things that would make me not touch it whatsoever, all but one of them is guaranteed not in it. Examples of those being flight, LFG etc.

The one that is not guaranteed is Sharding. However the current form that they’ve stated, temporary at launch for beginning zones, that does not bother me. Permanent sharding though after what has been said? As stated before, I will not be on Blizzard games anymore. Not after everything.

[Melaned-blackrock (Melaned)]

Not to mention that most PSs imitating Vanilla will shut down or go to BC. The remaining few will likely be heavily targeted by Blizzard due to them offering what Blizzard already offers in the form of Classic now.

A lot of private server players overlook this.

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Assuming they survive of course.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Then go play private servers then if they offer a more accurate representation.

Try actually reading what I said instead of trolling.

We don’t know whether sharding will even be implemented in the first place, let alone to what extent or for what duration.

I have been saying, from the very beginning, that there are some features that will deter me from playing Classic.

If, KEY WORD “IF,” Classic has game features that weren’t present in vanilla, I’ll just be playing private servers because if certain features are added, those private servers would be more accurate.

Classic isn’t out yet, so why would I even be making that decision yet?

You’re lying about not being subbed? You literally cannot post on the forums without an active subscription, has been that way for years.

Clearly not, because I’m not subbed. Game isn’t even installed:
https:// imgur. com/UBy7oTy

So by your deceit, you will definitely be playing classic when it comes out.

The alleged deceit that is totally false is somehow indicative of the fact I don’t want to play Classic if it has sharding? Yeah, okay. LOL

Not to mention most classic servers said they were going to be shutting down when classic launches due to there not being a reason to have a private server

Well, there will be a lot of reason to host vanilla private servers if Blizzard adds features to Classic that WEREN’T IN VANILLA. Use your brain.

legal reasons as well.

Yeah, that’s really stopped them over the past 14 years. Oh wait, nope. It hasn’t. At all.

If blizzard makes it too close to what PSs are already providing, I am sure a considerable number will see classic as pointless.

No, you are COMPLETELY wrong. The whole point is that we want what private servers are providing, but from Blizzard.

Not to mention that most PSs imitating Vanilla will shut down or go to BC. The remaining few will likely be heavily targeted by Blizzard due to them offering what Blizzard already offers in the form of Classic now.

Except that won’t be the case if Blizzard changes Classic. Hell the strongest weapon against private servers would be to actually provide vanilla without any changes.

The whole reason I want Classic is so I can play vanilla without having to play on a private server. But if they change Classic, it won’t be vanilla, so there’s no point playing it, and I’m still stuck with private servers as the only source of vanilla.

I want #nochanges because I don’t want to be playing on private servers.

Assuming they survive of course.

They’ve survived all these years. Why wouldn’t they survive after Classic’s launch, especially if there’s changes?

[Luuni-area-52]

There are going to be features that exist that didn’t exist in Vanilla. Loot trading, Battle net functions, the modern API. It isn’t going to be exactly like it was in Vanilla.

So many people on these forums keep adding to their “list of things that will stop me from playing Classic” that it’s hard to take them seriously anymore.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

There are going to be features that exist that didn’t exist in Vanilla. Loot trading, Battle net functions, the modern API. It isn’t going to be exactly like it was in Vanilla.

So many people on these forums keep adding to their “list of things that will stop me from playing Classic” that it’s hard to take them seriously anymore.

Interesting, because none of those things were things I mentioned as reasons I wouldn’t play.

Loot trading more or less was in vanilla; it was just done through GM tickets.
The battlenet integration is necessary to authentication and isn’t really a game feature.
The modern API is also necessary, because the game is being run on the modern client. I don’t really care about this so much because we’d have different and additonal addons than we did in vanilla, anyway.

Edit: for what it’s worth, I’d prefer none of those changes were made. I wish the game was being hosted on the old client with no battle net, no loot trading, and the old API. But none of those changes, even though I don’t like them, are things I dislike enough to make me not play.

Also, how is any of that reason for me to go away and not discuss Classic?

[Luuni-area-52]

The issue is you and many other people come in and discuss private servers and how they’re doing everything “right”. I understand they exist and I have used them as an example to draw upon before based on what I’ve read on the classic subreddit from people who play them.

Private servers were once upon a time against ToS to discuss and play, unsure if this is still the case.

So you coming on here saying that if Blizzard messes up you’re going to just go back to playing private servers may influence others to do the same. That is bad. You’re indirectly leading people to think about breaking the ToS.

If you’re going to “just go play private servers if Blizzard messes up”, how invested are you then? There are folks here who won’t play private servers no matter what Blizzard gives us. We’re not going to tuck tail and just go play on some private server being run by whomever.

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

It’s called Blizzards legal standing has changed having a current product which does have an effect in certain countries where it is currently legal to host a server.

Not to mention if it pulls off enough people they will be basically dead anyways. There is not a single system they have discussed that would drive most players away from Classic. Based on what we know, the only reason to go back to a private server is the fact someone wants it free.

[Wendra-nesingwary]

I am eagerly looking forward for the day that Classic is playable.

[Chawana-altar-of-storms (Chawana)]

@Shimy-khadgar

Do you think any of the people on here that say they will NOT play classic based on X change will actually not play? or do you think they are just saying they wont play but that they will actually play?

Found a post where I did that, but edited my post a couple hours later after coming to my senses:

@Chawana-altar-of-storms

“We’ll see”? That basically means no in WoW dev speak.

Pardon me for throwing a fit, but I’m genuinely frustrated that they don’t seem to want a single RP-PvP server.

Looks like I need to start looking for another game to spend my money on incase they follow through…

Edit: Ok, after my initial reaction, this isn’t 100% a make-or-break for me…I just don’t want to feel like I’m playing on the wrong server the entire game.

I’ll probably en up going to a PvP realm if I still play, but it’ll still be sad.

Sigh…whatever. Thanks for making this post, OP.

That said, I think most people will still play; the ones who won’t play at all are the ones who don’t care enough to complain.

Just my take, anyway.

@Ohshiftson-area-52

I won’t play if sharding is added. It’s one of the worst changes to retail, and it will ruin the Classic experience without a doubt.

This is probably the biggest real chance for me. I’m ok with the starting zone having it, but that’s it.

If I don’t play Classic, this is the only currently foreseeable reason.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

The issue is you and many other people come in and discuss private servers and how they’re doing everything “right”.

No, we come in to discuss that Blizzard might potentially be doing some things wrong.

And not “wrong” as in “I don’t like it,” but “wrong” as in “it wasn’t this way in vanilla.” Sharding is a good example of that. So are guild banks, transmog, LFR/LFG, barbers, flying mounts, dual specs, and anything else people have suggested be added to Classic.

We, or at least I, like to remark upon the irony that the official Classic servers hosted by Blizzard might potentially be less accurate than private servers, which should really never be the case.

Private servers were once upon a time against ToS to discuss and play, unsure if this is still the case.

Yes, it would be real nice and convenient for you to be able to shut us up. Unfortunately, a large number of players interested in Classic are people who wanted vanilla, and continued to play it the only way they could: through private servers.

If it were against the ToS to discuss and/or play private servers (they can’t really prove the latter very easily), then most of the people they’re trying to appeal to with Classic would be banned.

These forums HAVE to allow that kind of discussion.

So you coming on here saying that if Blizzard messes up you’re going to just go back to playing private servers may influence others to do the same. That is bad.

No, it’s good. Maybe if enough people choose not to play, or at least express that they won’t, Blizzard might consider not implementing those changes, or revert them at a later date to draw us back in.

If you’re going to “just go play private servers if Blizzard messes up”, how invested are you then?

Uh… very invested, obviously. That’s why I don’t want them to mess it up. Duh.

There are folks here who won’t play private servers no matter what Blizzard gives us.

I pity the folks who would pay $15/mo to play a game they don’t enjoy.

We’re not going to tuck tail and just go play on some private server being run by whomever.

Good for you? Some of us will, so what is your point?

Also, once again, why should I go away and not discuss Classic just because I don’t want changes and express that in no unclear terms on these forums?

It’s called Blizzards legal standing has changed having a current product which does have an effect in certain countries where it is currently legal to host a server.

Perhaps, but that’s a weaker argument to make when there’s changes to the game. It’s not exactly the same version of the product at that point. Hell, Classic will be hosted on the modern client, but simply using old data.

If a country is willing to make distinctions between antiquated versions of games being hosted versus live versions, I think they’d be able to recognize the difference between Classic and private servers.

Not to mention if it pulls off enough people they will be basically dead anyways.

Not really. Private servers won’t die even if Classic is perfect, because as you said: “someone wants it free.”

And Classic already isn’t perfect, based on the changes that have been confirmed by Blizzard, so there’s already more reasons than just that.

There is not a single system they have discussed that would drive most players away from Classic.

True, but no single system has to singlehandedly drive away most players. It’s several systems all chipping away small chunks of the player base each.

Everyone has different limits to what they’re willing to tolerate in Classic. The more changes you make to it, the more chances you have at driving people away.

If I don’t play Classic, this is the only currently foreseeable reason.

Same, barring any sudden “lol, here’s LFR”-esque changes. While I’m not really expecting anything like that, I wouldn’t be that surprised.

[Smorcboyy-frostmourne (Smorcboyy)]

Relax ur a crazy gnome!

[Luuni-area-52]

I just reread the thread.

You said you’re worried about them adding transmog? Why? The data for transmog isn’t even in the 1.12 data. Same with LFR or LFD. Same with guild banks.

I agree with you on those things, they shouldn’t be in there. I must have missed your first post because I skip all people who are worried about transmog because it’s so far out there, it shouldn’t even be a worry for anyone. Don’t even look at those threads anymore asking for transmog/guildbanks or whatever.

I wouldn’t worry about them changing the game. You’re going to play here if you’re fine with sharding for the starting zones, which they seem to be leaning toward.

Seems I misinterpreted what we were arguing about. You want to play private servers because of transmog and those other silly requests people make. That’s why you kept saying private servers were more accurate.

Apologies.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

You said you’re worried about them adding transmog?

No, I didn’t. Read again.

The data for transmog isn’t even in the 1.12 data. Same with LFR or LFD. Same with guild banks.

Same with sharding.

I wouldn’t worry about them changing the game.

I would, though. That’s the whole point of me commenting on this thread in the first place: to give my perspective on the issue of people saying they wouldn’t play Classic if X feature was added, as someone who has actually said such things.

I would worry about them changing the game, because Blizzard changing the game is precisely what led to me quitting WoW in the first place and wanting Classic so badly.

You’re going to play here if you’re fine with sharding for the starting zones, which they seem to be leaning toward.

Assuming no other changes, yeah, probably.

You want to play private servers because of transmog and those other silly requests people make. That’s why you kept saying private servers were more accurate.

Apologies.

Nice strawman. I never said that at all. Try again.

[Luuni-area-52]

If there’s any actual game feature changes (guild banks, transmog, LFG/LFR), I’ll definitely not be playing.

Yes… you did?

Are you just here picking fights?

[Cybaster-cenarion-circle]

Private servers were once upon a time against ToS to discuss and play, unsure if this is still the case.

The reason you see no enforcement on this subject (with the possible exception of advertisement) is because they are deliberately trying to bring us back into the fold. There is no point in attempting to suppress common knowledge.