Let’s be real, given the shear amount of talents available in the current Dragonflight talent tree who is realistically going to be working out their spec without using simulations or pre-made specs based off simulations.
We are going to get a small number of free starter points. We will not get enough points to completely fill out the talent tree on day 1.
I’ma just pick what I pick.
Hopefully respecs will be free.
Since youre posting on a warrior, lets start there.
Titans grip (wielding 2 2-handers), Sweeping strikes, and a few other core abilities (posting from the toilet at work, this off memory) were all once talent tree points. Players had to spec into those points to access those tools.
You are claiming its bad for blizzard to take things away and make them talents. Players were asking for Blizzard to go back to talent trees, and that is what they did. Spec’ing into abilities has always been part of Blizzards trees in the past and giving core abilites in the talent trees is what makes then “spec defining.” Nothing screams “Fury warrior spec” like holding 2 2-handers. The trees will help define your class and playstlye and putting abilities in there help specialize what and how you picture your character to be.
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I don’t know about that. I thought we always saw the alpha forums as well.
I’m hoping you can talent back into Sweeping Strikes being “always on” like you could in Legion as Arms.
Little things like that can go a long way to making a spec fun.
IIRC Respecs follow the same current rule of “free in rested area, use a tome outside rested area” with you being able to save multiple builds so you don’t have to have a bookmark for when you need to switch between AoE/ST/PvP builds.
I’m sorry but are you complaining that they’re giving you more customization options? Finally I don’t need Rune Tap for blood and can get something more useful. Dungeon has no hibernate targets? Cool, I get to pick something more useful instead for that instance. Even if things are cookie cutter they’re 100% not going to be one and done, never change them.
This game will never allow full class customization, aka build your own spec, because they design the PvE end game and PVP with specific builds in mind for balance purposes.
Everything boils down to cookie cutter builds. That’s just how wow is built.
I played with the DK and Druid trees and I like what I see.
So then I decided to put a class and shadow tree together.
With the way I did it, not only does the shadow priest have like every cool ability we have had at some point in the history of the spec, but I also managed to put at least 3 and maybe arguably 5 different distinct play styles on the same tree.
Priest Shadow spec tree…
Priest class tree…
Link to my original post that goes into more detail…
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First they wouldn’t change a huge design implementation that no doubt they already poured hundreds of hours into (especially since now that they told everyone the expansion will be playable this year) because even a few people don’t like it.
Second I don’t really think you understand how it works or what it’s replacing.
The new system is considering everything as a whole. Abilities from systems we first were introduced to by way of legion and artifact weapons, normal class abilities of course, it’s replacing soul bind abilities or some derivative of them, and more I can’t even remember.
It’s everything. This is their solution to the borrowed power issue. To think as this version just bringing back the talent trees of the classic era is flawed logic.
And not just with abilities, too! They jump between extremes a lot! My favourite example is MoP having too many daily quests, followed by WoD having basically none!
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One mans pleasure is another mans pain. You will never please everyone.
This is a legit concern. This should be hammered home in every avenue for feedback.
The problem is that people will buy it and play it anyway. NO PREORDERS! If it ships with bad design or a ton of bugs, don’t buy it, make them fix it before they get your money.
Not a small number, we will have 26 of 31 total points available in the class tree, and 25 of 30 total points available in the spec tree.
You’ll be able to hit capstone talents in both on prepatch day 1, if you build towards hitting a capstone talent. If you make more of a hybrid build, you won’t have enough points, just like in TBC and Wrath when we last had talent trees similar to this.
I just disagree entirely with you, and I’m sorry.
When am I like, literally EVER going to use Shield Block/Shield Slam on a Fury Warrior? I guess maybe in PvP on Arms but both specs lose basically all their skills going sword and board. Being able to opt out of useless garbage like that in exchange for things like Bladestorm or Die by the Sword
Why are people freaking out about having to “buy” your baseline abilities back? If you have enough points to do so AND customize your character anyway you want what is the deal? Its because you’ll have to click a button to get it back? Is this the huge issue?
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Not exactly.
The current talents are I/O. On or Off, one or the other. that’s it.
This one offers more granularity which isn’t a bad thing.
Instead of praying that a 2h frost DK is viable and I’m not just shooting myself in the foot, I can just spec into it with single target priority. That way I’m not entirely left to Ion’s mercy.
There will be a development forum when the alpha is up.
Actually I see it as constantly having to look up references to see what needs to be done next. Do you find it incredibly immersive having to spend time making up spreadsheets and maybe get premium memberships to research sites?