New allied neutral race idea; Dalaran half elves

I am talking applying the concept of tulnar and applying it to half elves. but ok.

You do know he is wrong right? there is high elves in the horde in rachet. And even then, we are talking about dalaran here, it’s neutral and not all high elves there is alliance aligned.

I suggest you read up on it’s concepts, it’s a pretty ineteresting intake on customizations which is new to mmo’s.

It is dumb of you to object. Just take your stupid darkfallen elves and give us our high elves already. There, you can have your stupid evil elves, and we could have our mostly lawfully good elves. You get a new look that high elves can’t have access too, and we get the race that’s been with the alliance far longer than you’ve probably been alive.

I just don’t like LoTR’s. It just isn’t as interesting as most other fantasy. Warhammer though, I’d gladly take a big budget MMO of that.

Look, it’s just Half Elf with extra steps. Rather than a new, pointless race, I’d rather the current races get more customization options to actually fulfill the fantasy of having a Human-Elf creature with whatever ear length you want. Customization solves what you’re asking for, not a third Elf “””race”””.

Human elf creature? Who would take those options? Void elves? Unlikely. And definitely not blood elves. It’d make no sense for a half-human half-high elf to be with the horde.

I’m sorry, but ear lentgh alone can never cut it for a proper half-ling race.

Also that is not only in poor taste, but lacks imagination, no offense.

That’s because Elves are boring. The best version I’ve ever seen of an Elf was turning them into plant people that could be mind controlled by a dragon. Every other Elf has lived out some Tolkien fantasy, Legalos look alike and that’s what people are after.

And if we’re going with what has been seen in WoW, Half Elves are Elves with shorter ears. Just like how Half Draenei have looked like Orcs with head ridges or a slightly different build. You’re taking two creatures that look the exact same minus ear/eyebrow length and creating an offspring. They’re not going to suddenly pop out something that looks dramatically different from the parents, that isn’t how genetics - even in the world of magic - works. They’re going to retain basically the same features of their parents, which has resulted (in every version of Half Elf we’ve seen yet) as an Elf with shorter ears. Maybe their eyes don’t glow and they can actually grow facial hair. All of this is covered with customization without having to shove in a new model that’s barely any different from the two parent models and claiming it’s a new race.

We have seen exactly what this hybrid would look like in this world. You’re asking for that to be different enough to justify another race, and it isn’t. No matter what way you spin it. Even Mok’Nathal have the precedent of looking different than their parent race, and if we got them at least one of the parents isn’t even playable now.

They also, as above, wouldn’t be neutral. There aren’t any Humans allied with the Horde to help create Horde aligned NPCs, and even if Dalaran is neutral there’s no reason for one to side with one or the other faction. It’s as neutral as the Cenarion Circle or the Earthen Ring, but no one is asking for Tauren-Dwarf hybrids.

I’m not going to keep going because frankly you aren’t going to stop your campaign of pale, short ear Elves. And I get that. So I’ve said my peace and can move on with my day after that.

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Eh Blizzards silhouette excuse is nonsense and everyone knows it.

That said it might be another topic. Depends how they implemented. It could be used to give a type of the thing you’re asking for. Especially with a half race concept. (whether thats half elves or half orc half draenei or something else.)

Either way just in general I support the concept of more body models. :stuck_out_tongue:

Wrath was a few years ago and its been a few years since Legion. Assuming like I proposed that its still used as a hub of sorts when not in the story I think its still viable.

I do think the population of half elves would be more of course, but that doesn’t mean half breeds of other races wouldn’t go to a city that is more forgiving of such.

Just a consideration though.

So it would be Dalaran for things like Half elf half human, Burning Blade for Half Orc Half Draenei?

Could be neat.

I’d still prefer a wider system. For instance the Darkspear and Orcs have been together so long I cannot imagine there hasn’t been some mixing.

And a wider system would have far more use overall.

I actually have a character who is supposedly half night elf half draenei. That would be cool as well.

Mok’nathal had better be included in this concept somewhere! lol.

If you have it you should find a link to the concept from the Ashes of Tulnar website or something. Put it in the main post so folk know what that is.

I know what it is but I don’t know if its popular knowledge.

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They already have that with void elves funnily. And that’s not my aim here.

Again, this is not entirely true, Vereesa’s kids has more human features, and some dragons use half elf appearances to show there is more variety between the 2. Using Tulnar concepts we can get a good marraige if it’s done well.

Not really, they have their differences, humans are more sturdier built, shorter and have different porportions then blood/high/void elves. They also have some skin tones the other does not.

I do not beleive you know genetics.

Actually it depends if the DNA is an alpha or not what they inherit. Some kids has traits of both parents while others only have traits of one parent, but also one of their ancestors.

Well, it had been depicted in artwork high/blood elves is capable of growing wizened beards though.

not for my arguement but it’s nothing special between the races.

There is no unique model for half elves in the game.

Which is justified with the concept I’m asking to be used.

We only have one mok’nathal with a unique rig. One. I do not think they will all look like rexxar.

Dalaran is neutral, by their very law. the high elves that is in dalaran isn’t all the sudden going to pick sides because you demand them to. It would be different if we are talking about the ones that is not apart of dalaran, but this subject is on dalaran, and dalaran alone.

again this request isn’t for that, your the one being rude and forcing your narrative on it since you failed to read the OP.

Fair enough.

yup, and on the flip side one could more easier RP as members of said factions as well, with lore backing them up.

Sounds fair. Maybe they can come with a clan or tribe with that in mind for more concrete story to rp with.


Actually I take it back, I’ll post it in OP.

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I am going to take a page out of Fen’s playbook and add in snippits of lore here and there to talk about dalaran’s role and why hopefully be actually playable in the future;

Let’s start with the founding of Dalaran.

Did you know that dalaran was actually founded during the arathorian empire? More exactly during it’s decline. The reason for it’s founding is because the mages that resided in strom felt to constrained there to truely practice and study the arcane arts of their studies. So they went to the endge of strom’s orginal borders to build the violet hold, and then eventually a city. According to Jaina, some of the original builders was the elves that tought the humans magic themselves and during the time of wc3 was still alive and well.

Another reason for it’s location is simply because it was a convenient spot for them to build the city there, directly on top of a ley line where they can draw upon to practice their arts!

Today let’s start talking about the order of Tirisfal and the Korin Tor was founded;

As their numbers and influence grew, more and more magi practiced their arts, the fabric of reality around Dalaran began to weaken and tear, allowing demons into the world. These invaders caused havoc in the streets and countryside of Dalaran, despite the efforts of the Magocrats, the ruling archmagi, to deal with the problem. Fearing revolt and military action from Strom, the rulers of Dalaran turned to the high elves. The elves were able to determine that the daemons which had been summoned could be dealt with, but a more permanent solution was needed. The Magocrats entered into a deal with the Convocation of Silvermoon, and the Order of Tirisfal was founded.

It would form a secret defense for the world, with a Spearhead as their main acting weapon. The elven lords decided to reveal them the history of ancient Kalimdor and the Legion. At the same time, the Magocrats sent some of their number to research and catalog all human magic. These wizards would eventually become the Kirin Tor, a specialized organization that was charged with cataloging and researching every spell, artifact, and magic item known at the time. The Council of Six became the rulers of the Kirin Tor, and eventually replaced the Magocrats at the head of Dalaran.

Today we will discuss Alodi;

He was an half elf (in game he uses a human model unfortunately) that was abandoned by his parents in a school at dalaran and was left with ebonchill. He was a mage that managed to learn frost magic at the concern of the orphanage headmaster. He was also the creator of the forge of the guardian allowing guardian’s or tirifal to pass on their powers from generation to generation of gaurdians until Aegwynn became gaurdian, whom refused to retrun her power.

In game he helped mages resserect the organization within the guardians of tirifal named tirisgarde, guided khadgar to the broken isles in search of the pillars of creation, and guides the player to find ebonchill.

The next allied neutral race,

  1. Naga
  2. Eredar
  3. San’lyn

Today we will discuss further Dalaran lore copied from wowwiki;

Dalaran's prosperity eventually made it inundated by reckless spellcasters. Their abuse of magic inadvertently tore open rifts in reality. Through one such rift, [Kathra'natir]( clawed his way into Azeroth. The demon found Dalaran ripe for upheaval. Many of the city's non-magic users were superstitious, and they viewed spellcasters with thinly-veiled unease. Kathra'natir used [Apocalypse]( to inflame these fears. He tainted Dalaran's water supplies and food stores. Gruesome plagues ravaged the city, which the common fold believed had originated from the magi. The Council of Tirisfal tried to defeat the demon but lost their Spearhead, [Aertin Brighthand]( Eventually, [Meryl Winterstorm]( and Alodi came up with the idea of the [Guardian]( As such, Guardian Alodi banished the dreadlord and saved [Tirisfal Glades]( and Dalaran from destroying themselves.[[13]]([[8]](

Dalaran established a friendship with [Silvermoon](, which while tested, would stand for over two thousand years to come.[[14]]([[15]]( Although predominantly a human city, some elves, including their own crown prince [Kael'thas Sunstrider](, would study, live, and even [rule]( in Dalaran at one point or another. According to [Jaina Proudmoore](, some of these elves were among those who had taught humans magic to begin with.[[16]]( Some gnomes, dwarves, and even goblins would also come to reside in Dalaran.

HALF ELVES, wonderful so we talking half night elf? because i can tell you this blood elves are extremly racist and is a disgrace to be with someone not of your caste or race in elven society sylvanas had to hide her relationship. of the half elves we know of like alodi he was left at an orphanage but than we have aleria’s son and vereesa’s both not in silvermoon. however if as you say their in dalaran that be the only place id see them and even there it be rare .

Ya’ll really need to consider things like Half Elf Half Orc. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Keep tuned, the Half dreanei/orc thread will be made wensday about the burning blade clan.

Your post is a hard read. But I will answer to the best of my ability.

I am talking about half thallasian and half humans in this thread, mostly because it would be best to represent dalaran entirely since it’s history is of both of those races. If you ready OP you would see I am offering as customization a choice of either race to be pronounced more of less of on the models so that players can rp closer to humans, elves or both on their dalaran toon. As for population wise, we are not 100% certain if it’s common or not that humans and elves have children with each other, but the likelihood of it happening is highest in dalaran. The ones that is produced normally have higher potential then both races.

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Now that will be interesting to see.

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I have some reading to do on them. I only know alittle of the base lore of them admittingly (what is shown through quests) what I do know is the npc you interact with is a half orc/dreanei. I am unsure to label them neutral because of him or horde, so read I must do.

Some more lore;

Dalaran established a friendship with [Silvermoon](, which while tested, would stand for over two thousand years to come.[[14]]([[15]]( Although predominantly a human city, some elves, including their own crown prince [Kael'thas Sunstrider](, would study, live, and even [rule]( in Dalaran at one point or another. According to [Jaina Proudmoore](, some of these elves were among those who had taught humans magic to begin with.[[16]]( Some gnomes, dwarves, and even goblins would also come to reside in Dalaran.

Approximately five hundred years prior to the opening of the [Dark Portal](, the [black dragon]( [Sintharia](, former prime consort of [Deathwing](, attempted to bring down the Kirin Tor with a curse that left all the wizards in the city unable to use their magic. Her scheme was foiled in part by [Korialstrasz](, consort to [Alexstrasza](, and when Sintharia was defeated, most believed her to be dead when her own magic had been turned on her.[[17]](

The Kirin Tor mages and leadership took interest in [Medivh](, the Guardian, and around the time of the [First War](, they sent [Khadgar]( to Karazhan to act as his apprentice. Several mages asked Khadgar to learn various details regarding the tower or the Guardian. Among them was [Guzbah](, who studied demon lore. He was the first victim of strange demon killings across the Eastern Kingdoms.[[18]](

Hmmm… I did not know Sintheria had made an attack on Dal till now lol. Thinking on it, I wonder if there is still blue dragons also that might still have malygos’s mindset and could possibly attack dalaran with such curses also still. The blue dragonflight had remained silent for quite awhile except for Kalecgos, which btw is apart of the korin tor council.

This would suit dalaran to be a playable faction since if rumors is true is a dragon expac and they have a dragon in the korin tor’s ranks.

No,but thanks op I think i’ll stay human.