Oh, I’m guessing they’ll include the announcement in the official patch notes…for Shadowlands pre-patch. You know, like a week before pre-patch hits.
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That or months after shadowlands releases we’ll get threads of “I just saved 5 mil for my goal of the brutosaur, went to the vendor and it isn’t there, why?”
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I was going to highlight the most pertinent parts of your post (how’s that for alliteration?) but I decided ALL of it was pertinent.
An official announcement of the Brutosaur’s removal from the vendors is desperately needed. Players who are currently saving gold and are unaware of this change must be informed before it’s too late to acquire the funds (except through token purchases).
I like to think the lack of information is because Blizzard has decided to replace the Mighty Caravan Brutosaur with a non-AH model, but they aren’t ready to announce that yet. I know, it’s not a logical excuse or a particularly believable one, but I still want to give them some benefit of the doubt. I’m not the sort who ascribes the worst possible motives to everything Blizzard does. However, I must confess that in this case, nefarious motives are easier to imagine than innocent ones.
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Or, perhaps, this is their hobby, and they can afford it. I’m not really a fan of making negative assumptions about people I do not know who have more disposable income or different priorities than I do. 
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Seriously. While I wouldn’t drop that kind of cash on a virtual mount, there are plenty of folks who don’t consider that an unwieldy expense. Especially when you equate it with the time involved in grinding the gold in game. For some people, the time alone is worth more to them than $600.
But the real problem here isn’t how players get their gold for this mount, it’s that they won’t be able to buy it from the vendors for much longer, and Blizzard has made no official announcement of that fact (despite announcing the Feat of Strength). I wish I could assume the reason they didn’t announce the removal from the vendors is because they decided against doing so, but I’m certain that’s not the case. Whether this oversight was deliberate or not is anyone’s guess.
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That’s what I’m hoping for! I hate the decision to remove it, but I’d care a lot less if there were non vendor versions in different colors.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/make-2-more-brutosaurs-mount-minus-vendors/407967
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Even if this were the case, it is not difficult to communicate something. If they came in and said “We can confirm the mount won’t be sold by the normal vendors, but we have some other things in the works, so stay tuned,” it would go a long way.
All we can do is assume. It’s also entirely possible that they weren’t expecting this backlash and they’re currently discussing whether to reverse course or not, considering that the reasoning Kaivax gave seems honest enough (whether or not they were short sighted to not see it from the start being another issue entirely). Still, you can communicate that without giving something definitive. Just say “We’ve heard you guys, and we’re discussing your points internally to come up with a final decision.” It’s really, really not that hard. There’s nothing more frustrating than only getting communication on things like this when decisions are absolutely final and impending.
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I fully agree. I just feel better pretending there’s a reason for their bizarre inability to communicate anything. I don’t like to think it’s a deliberate decision to withhold information.
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I want to chime in as a player who has every single TCG mount, and sold a few of the cards for RL money years ago. I was in the TCG scene locally and handled the cards often, sold them for people, and even own expensive things like Tyreal’s Hilt I bought through the TCG scene.
They are not moving like they used to.
A lot of the stock you see still remaining was bought/traded years ago before it hyped inflated. Are people buying Fel Drake’s for over $1,000 on the regular? Absolutely not. They moved slowly when they were $300-400.
There is a very stark difference between the cost of something because of actual scarcity, and artificial because of nonsensical choices . The brutosaur should not be compared to TCG mounts. There is - as of now - an infinite supply of them. There was never an infinite supply of TCG mounts.
Again, are people buying these mounts for insane amounts of money?
Maybe like 1-2 people.
And anything that only a couple of people are doing in an MMO outside of the game’s actual boundaries - and I’d argue even within it - are not things that should be referenced.
Also, some of these TCG mounts are going for well above gold cap now.
You want an exclusive mount you can epeen on? Get one of those. Leave a vendor mount out of it.
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Oh, I agree that there’s not much market for TCM these days, but they still do sell now and then, which was my (not very clear) point.
And I completely, fully, and totally agree that the Brutosaur should not be compared to these mounts. I only mentioned TCMs because of the comment that no one would buy " that many" tokens for the Brutosaur. There are always exceptions to every rule.
The Brutosaur should not be made more scarce through removal from the vendors. The price alone should be its badge of “prestige.” However, unless Blizzard changes their stance on this, we have to assume it will become unavailable anywhere except the BMAH. That alone will encourage some players to buy it through tokens simply because it’s possible to do so.
I still think that if Blizz is going to insist on taking this mount from the vendors, they should replace it with a non-AH model.
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I think I found a way to get the 5M required for the brutosaur in time before it is removed, without depending on the AH (especially now given the current issues).
A little bit of background before I arrived at this:
- Blizzard does not sell tokens in my country (Argentina), so no way of me getting those.
- If they did, I wouldn’t even bother with any other method that does not award me with 90k/hr. Less than that and I would much rather just buy the tokens (much less time invested). And yes, I am including time spent setting up TSM, and looking at market trends and whatnot.
- I even researched multiboxing a bit, and was able to do so, even when gaming on Linux (yes, it is perfectly possible). While it is certainly fun watching my team of druids swarm in perfect synchronicity over every node I see, the returns of just multiboxing alone are heavily dependent on your AH prices. And right now would not seem to be the time, with prices being so volatile.
So, with the AH issues since last Thursday, I did some research based on one of the comments here. Took my main mage to Draenor and ran Hellfire Citadel on all dificulties (LFR+N+H+M), then did the same with Blackrock Foundry, all the while tracking:
- Gold at the beginning of each run.
- Gold at the end of each run (after vendoring everything).
- Start time.
- End time.
Found that each run of HFC takes around 30 min. to clear, and awards a little bit over 3k if you vendor everything. For BRF, it’s around 20 min. per run, with a little bit over 2k in profit. LFR runs take a little less, but award a little less. Mythics take a bit more, but award a bit more. A note on mythics is that you might not be able to clear all the bosses if your chars are not properly geared (especially the Archimonde fight).
All in all, my arcane mage (which is not the fastest nor the slowest class to do these kind of things, so a good middle ground) was able to clear all 8 runs in total, in around 3 hours, netting a bit over 22k gold. You can only do this once per week on each char, but if you have several alts on the same server, it scales rather nicely. This gives around 7k/hr, which is actually not that bad, considering it’s sure gold.
I have 8 alts so:
- 176k per week. 704k per month.
But I also have 3 additional ones a little over 110 from doing my multiboxing setup. If I take those into account by doing the garrison intro quest on all:
- 242k per week. 968k per month.
So with 11 alts (the more you have the better), you would be able to clear the 5M required by the end of June if you start today. That is, assuming Shadowlands does not come sooner (which I doubt, but anything can happen).
Now, on to the cons:
- Time, of course. With 8 alts you are talking about 24 hours a week just to run these raids (on top of that, if you would choose to do progression, current content, etc… you quickly run out of hours in the week).
- No matter how greatly designed (and they are indeed beautiful raids), it gets old really fast.
An extra pro:
- It is likely that you’ll unlock all the appearances of these raids, which IMHO are one of the best in general for all classes.
You might not have to do this many runs if you already have some gold saved up. I’m currently at a little over 2.4M (was 700k back in september, and I mainly sold the leftovers from levelling most of my professions to max since then, no flipping or anything like that). But still if you are close to zero, it’s perfectly doable, although you might want to factor in how much it would cost you in tokens if you are able to buy them. That would be much faster and not incur in this time sink. But for those of us unable to, this is a viable (albeit time consuming) way.
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It’s super nice of you to go to the trouble of figuring this all out and posting it for others to try. Unfortunately for me, this con:
…is the entire reason my own plan was going to take me until the end of the next expansion to get the necessary gold. I simply don’t have that kind of time to spend playing, and even if I did, there are other things in the game I’d like to be doing more than running a raid over and over.
When this thread first began, I knew I could get the gold if I had the time to devote toward it. I’m still miffed that because I play differently than Blizzard seems to think is reward-worthy, I won’t be getting this mount (that I’ve been working toward since the expansion dropped). Obviously, slow and steady (and consistently subscribed) doesn’t win Blizzard’s race.
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The only shady vendor here is Blizzard
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So if I’m reading what Kaivax says correctly, I now need to gamble whether I should spend $941NZD in the next three weeks to get the mount, or if I should wait and hope it ends up being sold cheaper on the Black Market?
I’ve accumulated around $12 Million since achievements were added back in the day, but I’ve spent all of it already. There’s no way I’m gonna pull 5Mill before Shadowlands! I’m not a filthy AH flipper 
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Yeah but that’s not the quickest way to accumulate gold in the game right now. It’s cool when you need a quick amount in a hurry I’ll grant you that.
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Of course not, but it is one of the best gold/hr methods that I know of that gives assured gold and does not involve the AH or other players. Although if I’m wrong I’m all ears 
Yeah I’ve only gained 300k since this was announced, clearly not going to happen for me!
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Pretty sad that a mount is put in the game then unobtainable through normal game mechanics unless you spend real cash, a Sub Fee game at that. Show’s what they really think of the community,
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I still want to express my opinion that if they’re really going to remove this mount because they don’t want AH mounts to be “common”, they should at least replace it with one or more non-AH models. There are already numerous models of Brutosaurs in the data base that can be used for this purpose, so it won’t take any development time to create one.
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other than the ah build into the mount I would have never bought it but now if you don’t have it you will be at the disadvantage of easily rechecking who undercut you without it.
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