Limit the amount of people that can q random bgs together

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Here are two links with official writing with some interesting content, explanations.
Take note of the stance being made. Moving forward, I am sure we will see some positive changes in the future. At the end of the day, more participation is always a good thing.

These are official notes which we both found and quoted for the forums.

@Kangmurloc-dark-iron

I’ll try to break it down as clearly as I can:

Any addon that enables a full, organized Battleground group to queue against a randomly assembled group is creating a scenario where that coordinated group has a huge advantage. That is not in the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue. Playing with friends is fun and important, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of the spirit of the game nor the fun of others.

The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation. We realize that it’s not a perfect system, and we’re still looking at ways to improve normal Battleground queues further. Regardless, it’s not meant for organized groups to “pug stomp” and get quick Honor. We have built in outlets for players that want to organize–if a competitive, social experience was really the goal, then there are clear ways to achieve that.

The ultimate effect that this kind of queuing has had is to drive players away from PvP. Perhaps it’s been a long time since you’ve been in a random group, but a lot of players will see that they’re up against a premade and simply quit. At best, they suffer through it. To an extent premade groups count on this. Heck, one of the popular addons announces opposing players that appear to have rage quit.

Addons aren’t really a viable solution for botting issues, but we do take those issues seriously and we’ll continue our work on improvements to the Battleground system, including better ways to deal with botting and other exploitative gameplay.

@Sthis-shandris

I just noticed that you posted the Blue post regarding pre-mades already in this thread.

His rebuttals are also pretty nice and on Topic.

Player - I know for a fact, that more and more of our games were against other “coordinated” opposing players. Battles became longer, harder and a whole hell of a lot more fun! They were not the Farm fest you claim they were, they were true Player vs Player games. Not scripted, not forced on anyone, not the repetitive grind of the normal wow game.

Blizzard - Perhaps this seemed to be your personal experience, but I assure you that this was far from generally the case. Regardless, what of the games that you played that weren’t against other pre-mades? Just hapless casualties to your fun, I suppose?

Based on your enthusiasm for “true Player vs Player” combat, I’m sure that you’ll find War Games and Rated Battlegrounds quite compelling.

Player - You gave us everything we needed, including the idea, but then turned around and slapped our hands, pointed a finger, called us a name and said, this is NOT for you, it is for the REAL players.

Blizzard - You’ve made the assumption that all those things were accomplished expressly so that you could queue into battlegrounds as an organized group against disorganized opponents? That assumption is mistaken. If you want organized PvP against organized opponents, as you claim, that experience is readily available.

No one’s wrist was slapped. There have been no suspensions over this issue. We’re just making our stance on the subject clear, so that there’s no room for misunderstanding.

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Ah yes, a blue post made years ago. Lovely.

[Becchino-whitemane]

Seems pretty straight forward. I look forward to those changes being implemented sooner than later

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Considering that blue post was either from Cata or MoP to my recollection, so 13 years ago, and there’s been zero changes since then, you’re going to be waiting an awfully long time.

Is that why you’re undead? So you can RP the skeleton at the computer meme?

[Becchino-whitemane]

Solo shuffle was implemented, so who knows what else they will try. From what i have read solo shuffle is one of the few content available for solo players and is having a lot of success

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Solo shuffle isn’t bgs. Might want to go to the arena forums if you want to fawn over it.

[Aitirn-barthilas]

I’d like Solo only queue BGs but this will cause more people to play BGs and more premade players to lose their GY camping against non-premades and will come to the forum and whine.

They are already trying to circumvent the idea of solo only BGs by constantly responding to any thread in relation with a “gEt FrenDz and Sklz.” lol.

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Solo queue bgs already exist. They’re called random battlegrounds

[Aitirn-barthilas]

Solo queue BGs as in… Only player who queued solo will be placed in the BGs, no premade. Perhaps Duo max, but otherwise any 3+ man premade will be placed in their own queue.

Its funny your trying to defend the fact you need an organized premade to pvp in random battlegrounds though. its funny to watch

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

I actually don’t. I just premade because I enjoy the social aspect of an MMO and it’s funny watching you children mald because you don’t understand the concepts of random bgs.

[Mithràndìr-tichondrius]

@Aitirn-barthilas

Its funny your trying to defend the fact you need an organized premade to pvp in random battlegrounds though

It’s funny you immediately equate anyone not quing alone to a trashcan who needs to be carried in random bgs lmao.

Believe it or not there are alot of WoW players who enjoy playing this game, this online multiplayer game, with friends or guildies. And it’s not always the case that we have enough online to do rated games, should we be forced to que up alone just because some smoothbrains on the forums can’t grasp that fact?

[Sthis-shandris]

@Akatsüki-stormrage

I actually don’t. I just premade because I enjoy the social aspect of an MMO and it’s funny watching you children mald because you don’t understand the concepts of random bgs.

@Kangmurloc-dark-iron

The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation. We realize that it’s not a perfect system, and we’re still looking at ways to improve normal Battleground queues further. Regardless, it’s not meant for organized groups to “pug stomp” and get quick Honor. We have built in outlets for players that want to organize–if a competitive, social experience was really the goal, then there are clear ways to achieve that.

Straight from Blizz. I don’t think it’s us that misunderstands the concepts of random BGs.

[Mithràndìr-tichondrius]

You do realize the thread that that quote is from was regarding oQueue right?

The addon that let 10-15 people all que up together? This blue post wasn’t talking about 5 man groups.

[Becchino-whitemane]

@Mithràndìr-tichondrius

It’s funny you immediately equate anyone not quing alone to a trashcan who needs to be carried in random bgs

Funny, when you queue solo in random bgs you play with others and is still an mmo. Organized groups of players steamrolling unorganized randoms is not the intent of random bgs

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

You’re linking a post from Cata, there’s been zero changes since then, and premades have been around with zero repercussions since vanilla.

Also, that post was talking about third party addons synching queues via automation. It wasn’t about premade groups formed normally.

Swing and a miss there, bud.

[Mithràndìr-tichondrius]

Ok… cool. Never said it wasn’t lmao.

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Has been a thing since vanilla. Too bad, so sad.

[Becchino-whitemane]

@Mithràndìr-tichondrius

Believe it or not there are alot of WoW players who enjoy playing this game, this online multiplayer game,

Solo players like this too believe it or not.

@Mithràndìr-tichondrius

with friends or guildies.

It is called rated

[Sthis-shandris]

How about this one?

“Pre-mades in the normal queue, however they are formed, are not something that we’ve ever been particularly fond of.”

Posted by Daxxarri later on.

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Cool guy. Fond =/= banned or against the rules.

You might wanna spend less time trying to be a smart aleck on the forums and more time with a dictionary.