Layering Cannot Go Live on RP Servers Period

[Darkthurr-the-venture-co]

LoL, if you own 1 single share and there is a shareholder vote, you have to be notified by law. Period. The amount of shares you own is irrelevant to the knowledge of what shareholders are voting on. Each time you reply I am shocked at how you readily reveal the seemingly endless depths to your ignorance.

[Cybaster-cenarion-circle]

Endless depths! My goodness. It’s just like that episode of futurama, where granny sits in and has her vote, with her one share. So that’s what that was about. Thank you for enlightening me. You’re a good and influential man.

Anyway, I should probably shut this down:
In between the words “I expect,” which is analogous to “I imagine,” and “Bobby Kotick’s caddy,” I think most people would realize I was being facetious. Not retroactively facetious. Not the “o I was just trolling” thing that people do when they’re caught red-handed, but the actual ha-ha it went completely over your heard in post 1 and 2. The Caddy thing was there to clue you in. You still didn’t get it.

For what it’s worth, I’m sorry. I’ll leave you alone.

[Nubling-jaedenar (Nubling)]

you don’t have to worry, there won’t be any RP realms

[Arathella-wyrmrest-accord]

I play on an RP server. I’ve been an officer in an RP guild. I RP more than anything else these days. Sharding sucks. Layering will probably suck. We can only hope Blizzard keeps their promise at this point. If they don’t it’s time for righteous indignation. I don’t think now is the time to argue that Blizzard doesn’t always follow through.

[Abigaiil-tichondrius (Abigaiil)]

1. “One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want.”

2. “The first few weeks when everybody is packed into Valley of Trials and everyone is packed into Elwynn, we think we can use sharding there in a limited, time limited, way to solve the initial launch day load problems while, making sure in the long run, as server communities solidify into a healthy population and a single world.”

3. “Our plan is to use [layering] in a short-term way for just those first few weeks”

Maybe they will stick to this. But the goal posts have shifted over time.

[Cybaster-cenarion-circle]

Pray they do not shift them further. force choke

[Tareir-arthas (Tareir)]

I play on an RP server. I’ve been an officer in an RP guild. I RP more than anything else these days. Sharding sucks. Layering will probably suck. We can only hope Blizzard keeps their promise at this point. If they don’t it’s time for righteous indignation. I don’t think now is the time to argue that Blizzard doesn’t always follow through.

Pretty much.

I do think layering is a necessary evil, BUT I also think that layering past phase one would be horrible and inexcusable.

I’m not going to suggest they’re lying about it though.

I and everyone else should hold them to account if they are. (although I’m sure they won’t)

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Man its almost like you are making a solid business argument for not having layering at all.

No, I’m stating that either you have it, and the launch is smooth, or no server has it, and the launch is a horrible mess. If only RP servers got it, they would be an even more horrible mess while the rest of the servers would be relatively smooth.

If all those people would prefer genuine servers instead of layered fragments of servers,

5% of the population is still enough to destroy the RP servers while not constituting anything more than a niche. You’re talking orders of magnitude difference between what a non-layered server can have, the people who are stubbornly refusing to accept layering, and the number of people intending to play.

15,000 (assume roughly 5 RP servers).
150,000 purists.
3,000,000 players.

[Machomadness-lethon (Machomadness)]

By the time you and the other little RPers hit 60 the layering will have long been disabled so there shouldnt be any issues with you pretending to be a dorf.

[Tareir-arthas (Tareir)]

They’ve always indicated whatever they did would be temporary. That hasn’t changed at all. They’ve just tried to make the tech more appropriate. I see no reason to hold that against them. I’m unhappy with a lot of things about Blizzard these days, but this isn’t one of them.

Seeing implementations change across the course of a beta is hardly something I personally am going to use to blame them

[Mickymoo-black-dragonflight]

You are the child that has no sway, literally years of forum posts got things done. Things we were told for over a decade would never happen. Get your clown cow behind back in school because you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

Are you RP’ing as an old man trolling the classic subforum? It isn’t very good. Lashing out a people that don’t agree with you isn’t very mature or productive.

Layering is temporary. And it is on-demand. So if you have a lower pop, like most RP servers tend to have, you won’t see layering anyway.

[Fellína-thrall (Fellína)]

By the time you and the other little RPers hit 60 the layering will have long been disabled so there shouldnt be any issues with you pretending to be a dorf.

I think this time around there will be more people on RP servers for the simple reason they want to escape streamers. I know more than a few people are going that path such as myself.

I would also expect there to be more than a few power games even amoung the RP guilds that want to get to the end game and start doing things. While the OP seems to be arrogant over his own desires dont lump the entire pool of people that play on a server into that category.

[Vipper-veknilash]

While I agree, be honest, just how many memorable RP campaigns and events are going to happen in phase 1 layering, the very launch of the game?

Not only is everyone busy leveling and getting their character ready and planning out future storylines, but I don’t foresee RP realms being that congested that immersion-breaking layering (see: Stress Test) will be implemented where everyone in general is spamming for an invite to the “Good Layer.”

To be quite frank, I foresee the best RP being a bit after launch, when roleplayers from FF and ESO have seen that Classic WoW exceeded their expectations and decided to hop aboard after letting their RP lives simmer down in the outside games.

[Damalys-kaelthas (Damalys)]

For context,that’s aimed at the OP If he got his way all that would happen is that you’d have to deal with the current crap of annoying streamer knob gobbling teenagers and wannabe dudebros coming to the servers invading it the way they did certain servers ages ago and make things even worse.

[Susan-maiev]

Layering isn’t even okay on a PvP server, period.

There was a major PvP guild that abused phasing to get an advantage in WPVP.

They were not very good at PvP, so they would phase, anyone unfortunate enough to trickle in ended up 5vs50, so they picked them off quickly.

Or they would use it to retreat, hide behind phasing to heal up/recover.

Use it to hide in, when the other side grouped in, the guild already had AoE spamming on the spawn in location.

It was stupid. I get layering is going to be desired by them for the massive influx of players, but I for one, do not look forward to it. People have already used it to get extra nodes or pvp chests.

[Abigaiil-tichondrius (Abigaiil)]

Maybe - you think these little **** would sit in ques to play?

[Tuskamus-area-52 (Tuskamus)]

There should NEVER be an instance where two people on the same server, standing in the same spot, cannot see each other. If that is Possible, than the game is BROKEN, and servers should not even exist.

A wizard did it. Boom, rp’d.

[Nzete-sargeras (Nzete)]

My group of friends was considering PvE or RP (not wanting to be tied to the “have to race to 60 because you can’t be 60 after anyone on horde or you get camped forever instead of leveling”). Observing the massive zone disruption that is well known streamers on the stress test, I think that we have settled on RP.

We don’t have huge ongoing stories other than being adventurers in the world and making character appropriate choices. However, we do talk in character in say and respond to the people around us (like buy someone a drink who is sitting sighing at a tavern bar). We won’t be the realm’s most exciting people, but we will be appropriate and add to the life of the realm.

The long term activity for a classic realm is going to either be PvP or RP. We are very much more the RP type of people. It would be better if we could start without layers. However, I doubt that tourists will confine themselves to the non-RP realms.

[Tarrz-tichondrius]

Then don’t RP as a Dwarf.

[May-stormscale (May)]

Or you play when there aren’t any ques anymore.

Defending the changes like a true lvl 120 hero.