This is perfectly demonstrated by the recent announcement regarding Juju Flurry:
“We also did some digging into our bug database from the Original WoW era and found that we had in fact filed a bug for this behavior while the original game was current, but the issue was not actually fixed until the Burning Crusade pre-patch (patch 2.0.3). As this bug was present throughout Original WoW, we do not currently consider it to be a bug and is merely an aspect of the original game that was carried over into Classic.”
Even if Blizzard did believe or does now believe what is happening in AV to be a bug, the fact that’s how it was in vanilla means it will not be changed.
They didn’t work that way in vanilla. That’s why it was fixed.
That’s how it worked in vanilla.
Agreed. Their inconsistency is an issue.
Sure, if you want to call it that. I don’t really care how you describe it. Regardless, all of those individual states existed in vanilla. That is to say, the items existed with that itemization, those drop tables existed, and the DR was 25% at some point.
I’d much prefer they simply chose one patch and went with it, but picking and choosing within vanilla is better than saying we do something entirely different than vanilla.
That’s not what’s being asked for here, though.
Pre-1.11 AV wouldn’t prevent what you’re seeing here; it’d simply delay the time it takes for the Alliance to get to Drek’s room to do it.
If this is the enire basis behind your agument that ‘things didnt work this way in vanilla’ - why did they implement a change to addons communicating with each other completly breaking an addon that was heavily used (by myself) to q premades for av. This is the description of said addon:
Preform AV Enabler allows the group/raid leader to solo queue everybody (with this addon) simultaneously with a button press. In addition, the group/raid leader can also force members with the addon installed to either leave queues or join the majority’s battleground instance. A status window allows all those with the addon installed to view the current queue status of each other.
And a pic of the addons ingame interface. (look at that - it worked even up until eots)
The status window’s information includes: if a member’s battlefield instance window is open or not and which battlemaster it is, if they are queued for any battlegrounds, which battleground instances they received, which battleground they may be in, and if they have deserter or not and its current duration.
The automation feature will auto-queue the raid when everybody is ready, and auto-join or auto-leave queues depending on the threshold set.
To use, open a battlemaster window and click the Preform AV Enabler button, type /preformav, or click “Preform” on the menu that appears when right clicking the minimap battleground icon.
So weird. I played ally back in vanilla. I don’t remember this behavior at all in AV but it was a long time ago. I do remember being part of pre-mades for AB and WSG to help some people get rank 14 though.
Was this same thing with Drek happening on private servers?
Many of you seem very confused as to what kiting is. Any pally who pulls is required to have speed pots or skull of impending doom so they run faster and create space between them and the mobs. Getting out of charge range! If done properly they shouldn’t hit you because the premade should have good enough dps to kill within 15-20 seconds
The mages complaining must really be bad if you don’t use the exact same method to kill everything.
I know exactly what kiting is - at what distance do mobs stand there and not follow you anymore - they follow you until they reset - there was no paladin next to said mobs in a bubble.
What caused those mobs to STOP in place and allow a paladin to continue to run?
That is from a warrior taunting all and running the mobs back outside the room when they reset if the paladin gets killed. Any decent premade will have a warrior ready to taunt and run Incase of a bad pull. I think your mad about the amount of coordination some of the high ranker premades have
Ummmmm the end of the game caused them to stop running lol. And to even further discredit your “evidence” that isn’t even the direction a paladin would pull them lol. We usually run to waterfall but I have kite through village as well. You just risk random mobs staggering you.
Hmm, I can’t really comment with total certainty, but I’d wager the old add-on communicating in the way that add-ons do in Classic now: via whispers, raid, party, etc.
The limitation that was made recently was the ability to send messages to player-made channels, such as World chat or channels created specifically for add-ons to use.
I don’t use it, really, since I just queue by communicating over voice communications.
As to why Blizzard implemented those changes, I don’t really know. I actually advocated for the old macro/add-on APIs. If I were to guess why they removed it, it’s probably this:
If it automated in vanilla - by the nochanges mentality - it should automate in classic. See my argument now - just because something could doesnt mean it belongs in classic because of changes already in game making it vastly different from actual vanilla
The addon you linked may be similar but it does not allow the raid/party lead to control it. #Somechanges already.
Because the game ended while i was wondering what they were doing standing there. Do the warmasters stop dead in their tracks before the game has finished. You need to understand i seen this behaviour - i didnt record it. Feel free to go test it yourself and record your findings.
You asked why Blizzard changed it. I’m merely speculating as to the reason.
I’m trying to understand what you mean here to give a proper response. To my best understanding, you are saying that because Classic is already different than vanilla, Blizzard doesn’t need to necessarily recreate things as they were if (you believe) they cause problems, such as automation in the add-on API.
Is that correct?
It sort of does. The raid/party leader can control which game their raid/party queues into, and whether or not to take the game.
They can’t literally press the button for other people, though.
I’ve been testing it myself for 16 hours a day for the past month, and they don’t just randomly stop like that.
I do this pull everyday for my groups I completely understand it! You seem to be the confused here. Also I come from the USA where it’s usually up to the accuser to provide proof. That’s where Blizzard is based aswell so I suggest you do the recording.
Also could be your ping if they froze before game ended like you say. Have you tried upgrading your router?
#nochanges was never a statement of fact about the game. It was an expression of desire.
An opinion about wanting to recreate the game faithfully rather than riddle it with changes that ultimately spoil the thing we remember and love, reduced to a catch phrase and made into a hashtag.
When people say “no changes,” you can’t be so naive as to believe they actually think there are no changes, right? You know they’re saying “there should be no changes,” right?
