There are further ways to minimize abuse. If you’re being kicked in 5 groups out of 10 you might be the problem. If you’ve initiated 5 kicks in 10 groups you also might be the problem.
Put a cooldown on VtKs. Flag a player with multiple reports for wrongful VtKs and a high VtK count. Make VtKs public so someone kicked can put the kicker on ignore, which would be beneficial in the long term to both parties.
There are options. It’s not a zero-sum situation.
Personally I have come across very few kicks in queued content that were necessary. Most are initiated for no reason as there are very few reasons other than being afk/dc’d to kick in queued content.
Which is true under other circumstances, but not when the designers actually designed it that way.
They have said and continue to say that a player can be removed from a group for any reason. They don’t say specific do’s and don’ts, just that all the group needs is the required yes votes to remove one of the group.
i hope this gets revisted and maybe go back to 15 min starting off
the fact of it is, yes, the vtk is getting used way more than it needs to be, i don’t know
why all of the sudden but it is. so, it now needs to be looked into or revamped.
theres too many innocents getting kicked when 30 mins is a lot of chew.
also, if it was a “couple” of scenarios then why punish everyone else?
stop with these heavy handed punishments bc of a “couple” of ppl trolling.
Providing reasons would solve this. There’d be a record of kicks and reasons for them, providing they keep the records.
So it would take going through the records of kick reasons to see if there is a problem and since Blizzard doesn’t have the man power to do this, it’s likely not going to happen unless the playerbase gets to see the reasons they get kicked.
Now there’s a benefit to seeing the reason. It gives the kicked player a chance for introspection if that’s needed.
If the reason is false or inaccurate, it gives the kicked knowledge that they were just in a group of wieners and time to move on to a better situation.
It happens.
And if there’s an option to type in a reason that the kicked gets to see and that reason is inflammatory and against the ToS, that gives the kicked a chance to report the kicker which would create a record.
Anyway, that’s all I got on this. I don’t even group up anymore so I’ll be shoving myself off this topic as I doubt I could provide anything actually useful here.
There were some funny comments though so good thread, OP.
I’ve actually seen more scenarios in the past of people refusing to leave or just straight up logging off to avoid the debuff, both in this game and FF XIV. So yeah, it would make sense to me at least that they would address it from that point of view.
This should go without saying, but most of the complaints are coming from people who are serially kicked who don’t want to face the reality that they are the problem.
This also goes without saying, but someone who initiates 5 kicks in 10 groups is trying to kick 5 different people, that may be the only time they ever get kicked, he may or may not have a valid reason to kick some or all of those people, and he still requires at least two others per group to agree with them.
Pretty sure there is.
No such thing under the current rules, and trying to decide what is and isn’t rightful or wrongful is a can of worms that Blizzard has no realistic way of overseeing, hence why they decided not to oversee it at all and gave the power to the groups.
Like post-kick you want the person who was kicked to see who initiated, who voted yes, and what the reason was or what? Cause that would open the door for people getting abused and berated via private message. Not sure we want that.
See that’s where it’s just your opinion. Other people have different opinions on what constitutes a valid kick, and just because you don’t agree with them doesn’t mean they’re wrong. So we’re back to the idea that someone has to decide what’s rightful or wrongful, and as it stands, Blizzard decided that “someone” should be the members of the group, rather than you, or me, or Blizzard themselves.
