I've Realized that What Makes MMOs FUN is NOT Playing with Other People

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Zareiel-aggramar

I see nothing wrong with the current system in place for solo players

I also see nothing wrong with expanding on Follower dungeons into Heroic and Mythic as that will benefit the player base more. It also could help players get into M+ if they so choose.

At the end of the day there are a lot of positives by expanding this format and Delves as well.

[Evilira-barthilas]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

I hope we get more open world quest and content as well for players wanting to enjoy an MMO without players getting in the way of it.

You know they have good single player games, right?

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

@Mathray-arathor

Why do you think Blizzard is addressing solo content?

People whined for it.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

People whined for it.

No there is a market for millions of players they are going to tap into. Specifically the ARPG market.

@Evilira-barthilas

You know they have good single player games, right?

Yea but I want an adventure in an MMO. Just because I love Solo adventures doesn’t mean it removes any MMO aspects of the game.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

No there is a market for millions of players they are going to tap into. Specifically the ARPG market.

Nah, people came to the largest MMO in the world ((at one time)) and started crying for single player content (which there was) but it wasn’t enough so they cried more, and now we have delves.

In short, IMO, coming to an MMO for single player content is just selfish & that view won’t change.

[Mathray-arathor]

It seems you can’t see opportunity for individual players. Look harder - push yourself.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

Incorrect, I see the opportunity for team work instead of selfishness.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

In short, IMO, coming to an MMO for single player content is just selfish & that view won’t change.

It’s this attitude that makes us not want to play with you. We aren’t the selfish ones.

@Evilperiod-aggramar

Nah, people came to the largest MMO in the world ((at one time))

The model for MMO’s is outdated. That market isn’t here anymore. People don’t want to have Raid schedules anymore or group obligations on their calendar. The next big MMO won’t focus on Raiding/Dungeons. Will WoW catch on and innovate to give us the next big thing? Solo MMO content is a massive step in that direction and then focusing on the open world.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

The model for MMO’s is outdated. That market isn’t here anymore.

Then why are you here? This games gives the best loot via teamwork which is something you don’t seem to be keen on ever doing. I might be wrong, but that is how you are coming across.

Edit - You bore me, I’m done here. I’m going to go game with people who enjoy having me around & doing teamwork activities.

[Dorfpriest-living-flame]

@Liolang-daggerspine

I run dungeons and NO ONE talks anyway

so ITS EITHER you RUN DUNGEONS AND PEOPLE are mean OR YOU RUN DUNGEONS and NO ONE SAYS anything.

Which?

[Dorfpriest-living-flame]

@Keldarien-hellscream

It seems there’s a misunderstanding here

I agree, completely.

@Keldarien-hellscream

You’re suggesting that someone who prefers playing solo in an MMORPG is playing the game incorrectly, according to your view of what an MMORPG should be.

No. I think that playing an MMORPG as a solo player and expecting max progression via solo means is the wrong way to play the game.

@Keldarien-hellscream

. But let’s take a step back and consider the definition of an MMORPG.

Let’s not. I know what it is.

@Keldarien-hellscream

Now, to address a key point: the requests being made by solo players in this discussion aren’t about changing dungeons, raids, M+, or any core group content. They’re asking for more repeatable solo content, especially after the main quest line is complete.

Refer to the guy I was responding to who thinks that it makes sense that solo players have access to mythic raid gear without raiding mythic, or at all.

@Keldarien-hellscream

Let me share a personal story to emphasize the importance of accommodating different playstyles. When I was around 19, playing during Cataclysm, I founded a guild that quickly reached its max player cap. About 40% of our members were solo players who enjoyed being part of a lively community but preferred to play alone. I created a specific rank for these players, allowing them to join events if they wanted, but never pressuring them. One of our members, a hunter with Parkinson’s, played mostly solo due to his condition. As his Parkinson’s worsened, it became increasingly difficult for him to use a keyboard and mouse efficiently. This is why he preferred to play alone—group activities were simply too challenging for him. Yet, despite this, he still wanted to contribute to the guild. He would join our guild runs for older content, and once told me, “I’m not the best at raids or dungeons, but I’ll come and help, that’s how I contribute.” We became great friends, and I named my hunter after him when he stopped logging in, likely due to his worsening condition.

Touching, but irrelevant.

@Keldarien-hellscream

Remember, guys, be kind to each other.

Fine with me. As long as everyone understands they’re playing an MMORPG and that Blizzard leaning into this solo player mindset is going to do a lot more harm than good to traditional players.

If that’s the direction they go, okay. Well, I had a great time while it lasted. Fortunately, it seems that isn’t the direction they’re going. I think that people will largely be satisfied with progressing via delves in the great vault if they’re adverse to group content.

[Dïsøbeý-area-52]

Lmao sounds like you need a safe place. Grow up

[Keldarien-hellscream]

@Dorfpriest-living-flame

No. I think that playing an MMORPG as a solo player and expecting max progression via solo means is the wrong way to play the game.

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Refer to the guy I was responding to who thinks that it makes sense that solo players have access to mythic raid gear without raiding mythic, or at all.
[/quote].
Best loot? Did someone say they wanted best loot for Solo content because it’s hard to keep track between the breaks and while I am work and how fast this thread blew up at the most LFR equivalent but I agree not the best gear that’s M+ and Heroic Raid. If people have suggested this I understand why people are upset. Group content will always be harder because humans are more dynamic and unpredictable making encounters harder. LFR is high but I feel is a good spot for people who do finally want to branch out to doing group content.

[Dorfpriest-living-flame]

@Keldarien-hellscream

Did someone say they wanted best loot for Solo content

Yes. I’m quite happy for solo players to get a means of progression as long as it is line with solo play because that in turns gives me things to do when not doing M+/raid.

[Abombshield-grobbulus]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

Then why are you here?

To play the new Solo content and hopefully new versions of MMO’s.

The WoW model is antiquated (facts) the next big MMO won’t be like WoW. So WoW has a choice innovate first or don’t and let someone else do it. There is a reason why the MMO genre is dying it’s because it’s been the same stale thing for 2 decades. Time for change.

I know change is scary but it’s time to move on.

[Keldarien-hellscream]

I agree full heartedly, I feel the same way and I am also hoping guilds get an update/UI overhaul eventually. While I do agree guilds do live and die by there own merits but I also think some new content (New as in not just more raids and stuff or more of the same) for guilds would be really nice. I have ideas for both PvP and PvE but that’s off topic lol.

[Zareiel-aggramar]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

I also see nothing wrong with expanding on Follower dungeons into Heroic and Mythic as that will benefit the player base more. It also could help players get into M+ if they so choose.

there is less of a market for follower dungeons than you make it sound to be and needs to understand its cake wake and doesn’t challenge the player enough to warrant a higher reward. if you want higher rewards do harder content (delves, M+, Raids)… this is an mmo… .stop trying to make it only an arpg

and yes its selfish of the player to demand solo content when the game is really based around the fact you should be interacting with other players. If you want solo games there are PLENTY of arpg’s out there were you don’t have to worry about other players.

[Mathray-arathor]

@Evilperiod-aggramar

Incorrect, I see the opportunity for team work instead of selfishness.

Self reliance is not selfish. Its a good thing.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

You can be self-reliant and still do teamwork.

[Evilperiod-aggramar]

@Abombshield-grobbulus

The WoW model is antiquated (facts)

Those are not facts, that is your view, large difference.