I do understand your thought process. However, I feel like there’s a difference between folks “cancelling” a business because they don’t like it, therefore nobody else should, either.
Versus me, alone, stopping my own business with said business but still allowing the freedom of other people to still go there, if they wish.
I don’t like it, when others dictate how I should live my life, or what I should eat/see. IDK if I’m making sense
EDIT: And, it gives the business a chance to redeem itself, if it really is losing out on money 'cause others feel the same way, I do.
That’s not how the law works. If you want to use legal analogies please stay consistent. No one receives compensation from the people they report, even if Blizzard finds the report valid.
Yes, and a proper complaint is any report of a rules violation. You’re essentially arguing that if I witness a bank robbery I can’t call the police because I’m not the one being robbed. It’s ridiculous.
No, it suggests that I have no power to do anything on my own. I’m required to contact Blizzard and allow them to investigate and mete consequences as they see fit, regardless of what I think. Maybe they agree, maybe they don’t. They hold all of the power to actually do something.
I think it’s alerting Blizzard that a potential infraction has occurred. Do you have an “Extract Blood” button that I don’t see in my UI?
And I don’t care if you think Blizzard isn’t a moral authority. They don’t need moral authority when their authority is absolute inside the game. You don’t need moral authority to evict someone from your home if you don’t want them there. You may not be right in the abstract, but you are automatically right in that instance. Regardless of your reason, you shouldn’t be compelled to host someone you don’t want to be there.
I have two primary issues with people who complain about ‘cancel culture’. First, they are often the loudest voices supporting a free market, but when people band together to use their market power to influence the way people do business, it’s suddenly bad.
And the second issue, UNLESS it’s for a cause you support. “Cancel Culture is horrible”, until a business takes a political stand you disagree with, and then all of a sudden, the cry changes to “Get woke, go broke”.
They hypocrisy is off the chart, in both cases. And either way, a group of people pushing an agenda with their market power is fine, because no one is ever forced out of doing business with someone if they still feel comfortable making transactions there.
It’s actually the ’ woke ’ who are the minority. That is why companies that go woke, or virtue signal always lose money. Since the base they are trying to cater to is so small.
Personally not wanting to give business to a company, is NOT ’ cancel culture '.
Normal people just don’t want companies injecting politics into their business models.
If this were true, the companies wouldn’t be going broke ( losing money ).
Netflix is purging the woke from their company. As they should. They saw how badly it was hurting them and stopped listening to the ’ extremely, extremely vocal ’ minority of people demanding that they submit.
I hope this helps you understand how this works.
Which would make sense if that were remotely true. It’s not, but if you really think you can back that claim up, please cite some examples and sources. Spoiler alert, you’re wrong.
Well, it was when people on the left were using that tactic to pressure companies. I guess now that the right is doing it, it’s not anymore? This is the hypocrisy I’m talking about.
Before you can successfully defend that claim, you’ll have to show that the most significant loss of profit is from customer dissatisfaction with their ‘woke’ status, and not any number of other issues (rising costs, labor issues, economic downturn, pandemic, etc.)
Netflix issues have nothing to do with ‘woke’, and this is a great example of the things you’re missing. They were dominant when they were essentially the only streaming service. Their model took off, and they are suffering from the competition. All of the Disney produced shows and movies they used to have access to are now reserved for Disney+. Most of the network television shows they had access to are part of the network streaming. Apple TV+ has created some fantastic shows that create competition. Not everyone will buy every streaming service, so people who used Netflix when it was the only game in town may choose a different streaming service if the offerings better match what they’re looking for.
The idea that their issues are because of a political issue are childish and simplistic, and completely devoid of any actual understanding of the business situation.
Yeah. I anticipated you making this argument. Go back and read what I said about “Judicial Relief”.
I’m not saying you can’t call the Police, I’m saying you can’t bring the court case.
This has been demonstrated to be completely false on various streams and these very forums. People have recieved silences and forum vacations for being mass flagged. So you may not be capable on your own, but as part of a group you certainly do have that power. Hence my labeling it Mob Rule btw.
I think you’re having too much fun arguing things around in a great big circle.
You do need moral authority to make morally correct decisions though. But… if you want to go on making the case that an amoral business is morally correct, go right ahead. You look absolutely ridiculous.
IDK how else to really explain it. I don’t like using the “woke” (because I don’t think any company really is) but I absolutely see Kijo’s point.
Even Disney is going under, and I think it’s a multitude of reasons and not them being “woke” (they’re not). Their prices have skyrocketed 'cause (like Blizz), let greed get the best of them and just upcharging everything.
Regardless of what other people say, I still like Disney, but I do think the company is making a lot of bad decisions that’s going to hurt them, in the end.
I did, and that isn’t compensation. You’re being inconsistent to try to score your points, and I’m not playing that game.
Do you not understand that reporting racist comments in chat is the equivalent of calling the police? I can’t bring account action against anyone, I can only report it.
No, it hasn’t. Not even remotely.
People have received in-game silences from being mass reported. They have received no account action from that. Account action is only taken after Blizzard has reviewed the complaints.
No one has received a forum vacation for being mass flagged. They have received forum vacations for breaking the rules, and the mass flaggings were likely also a result of them breaking the rules.
If you want to keep trying to make the case that a business enforcing conduct rules that prohibit public racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. is amoral, then go ahead I guess.
That’s about the level of rebuttal I was expecting from you. I know, it’s tough when someone comes along and actually expects you to back up the nonsense you spout. So many of you just fold under the pressure.
I think the thing that boggles my mind about this whole conversation isn’t that the social contract exists in the game, but that we need it at all. That the implied social contract that exists in our everyday lives didn’t just extend into WoW such that Blizzard felt the need to be explicit about what is and isn’t allowed.
Do people really act this cruelly to one another while they are shopping for groceries, or dropping a package off at the post office? Respecting people as human beings, being decent to everyone you meet are things we teach our children from the moment they understand us, yet we can’t behave ourselves in an online fantasy game?
/sigh…
You must have the memory of a goldfish… since you seem to have forgotten my previous rebuttal to you, that went clean over your head.
Forgive me for wanting to adhere to the rule of not arguing with idiots…
You’re making too much sense with all your business logic. GD doesn’t have time for you SJWs and your “economics.” Don’t you know that everything bad with the world is because awareness of gender fluidity finally got beyond professional circles and academia and people of color started demanding that Hollywood stop treating them like second class citizens?
