It's ridiculous how paranoid you people are

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Again, I suspect you’re superimposing your politics over the more likely reality that people who violated the forum rules were sanctioned and those who didn’t weren’t.

If they are made in my presence then I am also an aggrieved party. If someone wants to limit the potential aggrieved party to you then they need to do it in private between the two of you. In public, anyone who is offended in their own interest is an aggrieved party. I don’t pay a subscription fee to have people freely using racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. language in public areas. It doesn’t have to be directed at me for me to find it unacceptable. While the targeted party certainly has a greater cause for offense if they choose to be offended, that doesn’t remove my right to my own reaction.

You don’t have to adopt any role. If someone says something horrific to you and you decide it’s not worth it, great. Go on with your day. But if they say it around me, I may not be willing to tolerate it in my community, and that’s between me, the person, and the sanctioning authority. You’re not involved anymore. You abdicated your involvement when you chose to let it be.

It’s not self contradictory, but the idea may be a little too complex for you.

Someone’s perception of something doesn’t necessarily make it true. Especially when people are trying to help explain why they are misperceiving it and they insist on digging in their heels and doubling down on a faulty perception.

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I agree usually but this pertains to how someone’s position was presented and where anxiety about the social contract was coming from. The concerns may or may not be relevant, but I came on strong with what I thought was a moderator presenting people’s concerns in an unfair light. The conversation went as you see it.

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Don’t think their freaking out. Just think they don’t want to have to accept a “Social contract” to play a video game…

Especially people who have been community members for a long time.

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Which is no different than “accepting” a TOS.

I’ve been playing since BC. I’m not a new player.

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Yah. You don’t seem like one (if it was mistakenly implied).

I just have always enjoyed playing with a diverse group and tried to have tough skin because of it. Opinions can be offensive at times, but friendship and community have always been more important.

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Agree.

Eh, with the way Retail is heading/has become, I don’t see it as important, anymore.

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These exact topics came up in FFXIV circles when they added some clear examples to their ToS. The people angry about this are the same types. It’s not the term. It’s just idiots.

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And I’m the one that can’t play right now?! Because this had to become political and it sucks to be a minority…

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Changing the title would do diddly squat, people (generally speaking) will still complain.

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Deleting the title would shut me up. The phone would get put down, “accept”, and we are off to the arenas again!

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Not under U.S. law you’re not. As I’ve said over and over again, you lack standing. You can’t bring legal action against someone who hasn’t caused you injury or monetary damages, so good luck trying to do so against someone who used some words that hurt your feelings. It doesn’t work that way.

Now, in Corporate america? Where the hyperventilating, bracelet jingling, HR Lady “Karen” is the final arbiter of moral principle? Sure, I suppose you’re correct. But again, that’s the problem. That’s Mob Rule.

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The story itself puts the entire history of WoW to shame lore and story wise. I think that its a fair take. If only WoW could craft such a great story over the base game and four expacs and have a new one ready to go. But no we get well…Shadowlands…

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I guess it’s a good thing I’m not talking about bringing a lawsuit…

I’m talking about my right as a person to confront people about objectionable behavior. The correct form of that confrontation according to the CoC and EULA is for me to report that behavior so Blizzard can sanction or not as appropriate. I don’t lack standing to be offended by things that are offensive and use the resources available to me to combat them.

It’s not mob rule for me to stand up for my beliefs, especially when the arbiter isn’t me, or a group of people who feel like me, but the people who actually have the ultimate authority over what is acceptable and unacceptable in the game they host.

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The same principle applies. You do not have moral standing to trample over the prerogative and decision of those who are actually injured. PERIOD. The fact that Blizzard is choosing to empower you to insert yourself into such situations simply means that they are EMPOWERING A MOB, not that they are granting you standing. Blizzard doesn’t meet the standard for a moral authority.

No, certainly not. But it is mob rule to howl for blood when none has been shed. And to fall back on Blizzard as a moral authority, is pretty weak. They’re not a manifestation of the State, or a Belief System, or Moral Philosophy, they are only concerned with what profits them. They make no pretense of either being impartial or making decisions on the basis of moral and ethical principles.

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No, it doesn’t. In a lawsuit, the plaintiff is seeking compensation for material damages. In order to bring suit, someone has to establish standing by showing that they were, in fact, damaged.

I’m not seeking any compensation, so the whole concept of standing doesn’t apply. Blizzard’s rules for conduct in public spaces are more like the equivalent of law, and if someone reports a violation of the law, a prosecutor determines if the state will press charges. Not the victim, not the witness, the prosecutor. If I report someone for racist comments, Blizzard takes the role of prosecutor and decides if action is warranted. Not you, not me.

Blizzard isn’t empowering me to do anything. I don’t tolerate racism in my presence, and I will always do whatever the situation allows to prevent it. In Blizzard’s house, that means following their established protocols for reporting.

They don’t need moral authority when the EULA specifies that they have absolute authority over what behaviors are permitted and which ones may result in sanctions.

No one is howling for blood. I find racism morally repugnant and will not tolerate it in my presence. It is against the rules in the game, so I am 100% permitted to report any instance of it I see and allow Blizzard to deal with it as they see fit. It’s not a mob rule, it’s Blizzard’s rule. I’m having trouble understanding why you’re not comprehending this.

In the context of the game, they are the State. They set the rules that people need to follow. They lay out punishments when people don’t follow them, and if the offense is great enough or repeated enough, they have the right to permanently exile someone. Obviously, their authority stops with the subscription, but in this context, they are the State. If you don’t like the rules you don’t have to be there.

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Not sure why people are making such a big deal about the social contract. They act like they haven’t agreed to terms before playing an online MMO.

Plus, all it was asking for was people to be more respectful towards each other. This thinking of “im gonna get banned if I don’t help someone out with their mobs if they’re close to dying” is literally one of the dumbest things I’ve heard here.

Making a ruckus over nothing. GD’s specialty.

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Did that person say we’re “inserting” ourselves? NO! I opt out of Public Chat Channels. Guild spammers whisper ME with their spam! That is inappropriate! I wish both Blizz and the WoW Community (IK some do care, but I wish more did) cared about this more instead of villainizing us, for receiving unwarranted whispers. It’s so bad that I need an anti-spam addon to counter a spam addon because reporting it does nothing :roll_eyes:

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About that, it really isn’t. Although extremely, extremely vocal, the number of people who use ‘woke’ as an insult is pretty low. Even if all of you crest to the highest heights of hypocrisy regarding ‘cancel culture’, you lack the market power to make anyone of any significance notice you, let alone ‘go broke’.

I guess ‘cancel culture’ is fine when you’re the one canceling? Help me understand how that works…

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But you are seeking compensation of a sort. You’re petitioning to have someone removed so you can go on enjoying the game. And before you try and play a semantic shell game by saying “that’s not compensation”, it amounts to the same thing: judicial relief. Yes… Blizzard takes the role of Prosecutor (also of Judge, Jury, and Executioner but that’s neither here nor there), but a Prosecutor still has to operate on the basis of a proper complaint.

Oh I don’t know, the fact that you can report anyone, anywhere, for virtually anything would kind of suggest otherwise.

To be better than Mob Rule, they kind of do.

What do you think spamming that report button is?

You totally missed the context of what I was saying. I don’t care if you think Blizzard has final authority. The point is that Blizzard is not a MORAL authority.

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another one banned too the dust!