do you claim you are a human? where is the proof?
I never claimed to be human, I might be a hobbit.
Do you have proof of your ACTUAL claim tho? Nope.
so you canât prove your claim of being a human, Iâll assume youâre a bot then that repeats troll phrases about proof and completely disregards any posts linking to said proof
that explain a lot of your willingness to defend rmt and bots though
Daily reminder if you bring up era in regards to vanilla or classic your argument is moot. A musuem server with billons of duped gold has nothing to do with progressive vanilla. Stay on topic.
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âSupportedâ in Blizzardâs terms means it is an official game mode that is intended and supported by the Development team and by CS policies. That if something goes wrong Blizzard will fix a bug, or assist with returning gold.
Any gold transaction outside the AH, or documented trade of items and gold through the trade window, is unsupported.
- Loans of gold are unsupported
- Carries for gold are unsupported
- Power leveling for gold is unsupported
- Any loot system that is not coded into the game, is unsupported.
Player developed systems and agreements may be allowed, but they are not âsupportedâ in that Blizzard wonât help if it goes wrong, and wonât be developing the game to consider whatever the players were doing.
This goes to the loot policy too. Blizzard does not get involved in Loot Disputes. They will investigate scams and will remove ill gotten gains, but they wonât return gold or items to the wronged party.
Here is the loot disagreement policy
Players are free to use any system they want (loot council, DKP, bid DKP, GDKP, etc.) but Blizzard is not going to step in and fix it if it goes wrong. Hence unsupported.
Here is one example of a Blue recently trying to explain Blizzardâs long standing policy on player agreed services.
A lot of things in WoW are considered âunsuportedâ so are at your own risk.
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No it isnât. The report button is available for many reasons, including harassment, stalking, threats etc. You are welcome to report bots and rmt if you desire as well, but that is not our job nor is it required. Iâm here to play and have fun, Iâm not paying this company so I can spend my time cleaning up their mess. Iâm not defending botting and rmt, I would love to see the end of that, but you canât tell me that itâs my job to do the work of monitoring and reporting these activities for the company as a paying customer.
I saw a youtube short from a former Blizzard employee bragging about how âsmartâ Blizzard was that the botters never figured out their bot detection method when Blizzard did ban waves every 6 months.
And I thought to myself - why would bot makers even care about your bot detection methods if you allow them six months to farm freely with no interference? Itâs no wonder the bot situation is so out of control if Blizzard thinks that that is a viable solution to botting. Actually insane. Bot makers win if their bot operates for a single month, much less six.
But of course, you know that Blizzard isnât hiring cutting edge machine learning programmers who are using behavioral analysis to detection human vs botted behavior. They have an intern who runs a script that just bans players who mail 10,000 gold to other players and then they let CS sort through the unbans. Lazy and sad.
A perfectly understandable perspective! It brings up a wider kind of philosophical subject though.
What is our role in keeping communities we are part of, safe/nice/clean?
We pay our taxes for police to keep public order and enforce laws. We pay highway departments and towns to clean up litter, patch potholes, maintain safe and clean spaces.
They canât be everywhere at once though. Do citizens have a responsibility or role in reporting crimes? How about throwing trash away properly? Reporting pot holes, blocked storm drains, or a grafitied building? Do citizens just look the other way and say âit is not my jobâ, or do they play a role in working with our taxpayer funded public service orgs. Police canât police everything all at once and depend on citizens calling in to report things.
I guess I personally see games the same way. If I want to be a part of that community, my role in keeping that community clean is to report things to the people we pay to clean it up. It takes teamwork to create, and maintain, a pleasant and safe place. In game or in real life.
Brought to you by morning coffee! Warm beverages to all and I hope your day is starting, or ending well.
Most of us do report activity thatâs suspicious, Iâve done so as well a few times as we all care about this game. The person I replied to insists that itâs our job to report and thatâs simply untrue.
Thanks for the coffee, hope your day is enjoyable too.
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I literally have a thanks for reporting mail in my mail box now.
If I see it I report it.
How the hell would I know if someone buys gold tho?
Reporting everyone on this thread for gold buying.
It just makes no sense.
Can I rport you drinknblink for casting while intoxicated? I have the feeling that if magic was an actual thing, there would be laws against tha sort of thing for you know public safety 
On a more serious note, you are right we can only guess when something seems suspicious. Going overboard and reporting everybody is not the answer, more knowledge is the answer, and that is something only blizzard can provide easily, but they are not likely to provide because doing so would only help bots and RMT hide their actions.
So really am I just supposed to rely on my âgutâ feeling as to whether somebodyâs gold is Kosher or not?
You really donât and I donât think anyone expects you to know. The only thing players can do is understand what sorts of things gold sellers use to transfer gold, and how to avoid it.
- Buy gold at website here! Flashing red flag.
- Random gold in your inbox you did not expect. Red flag (return/report/delete).
- Buying or selling an AH item for way more than it should go for. Red flag.
- Participating in gold exchange during group events (Carries, boosts, raids, achievements, etc). Orange flag.
- Buying and selling items at the going price on the AH. Green flag.
Sadly some people will try to buy their to their goal. That means buying gold from an illicit website to use the gold in GDKP/carry/boost situations. Those group events are just plain muddy back alley places where you donât know if you are dealing with legit folks or slimy crooks.
GDKP, or any other group service that exchanges gold, is not against the rules. It is just very risky because those crooked folks infest it and others can end up as collateral damage if they have a pattern of being involved in moving illicit gold.
We know Blizzard handles these things in ban waves so while they are tracking, folks can get caught up. Sort of like cops investigating a stolen goods theft/selling ring. If you are dealing with back alley folks selling a watch it just might not be legit and might end up with the cops at the door eventually.
That is why Blizzard strongly suggests that you only use GDKP, or anything else, with people you know or have reason to trust. It is usually just fine for a guild or a friendly (you know them) pug. Strangers you find online? Eeeeeh. At your own risk.
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For anyone else sick of this hogwash pr speech he keeps giving, heâs just saying thereâs a technical chance. Iâve moved over 25 millon gold and hosted 2+ events a week for four years. No bans for me or anyone in my raid even though an errant rmter caught bans here and there in players that were not my regs. More common with pugs I find then players in consistent discs but rare still.
There is no trade services and there is a small chance of a false sweeping ban. This leaves some grey area, but youâll never catch a serious ban over collateral damage.
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Consumes in the AH are going for very high amounts right now. - One could argue that farmed materials are also going for high amounts right now.
But the cost of consumes for raid can be met by participating in GDKP raids vs farming for materials. There are no daily quests that can provide the current economies rates.
GDKP provides cost of consumes for raids, and a system that allows you to bank up to purchase items in a similar format.
There is so much gold in the ERA economy, I donât see GDKP going anywhere.
Realtalk:
It would be wise to help âsupportâ this system vs pretending it doesnât exist. - Gold caps could be adjusted so that mules arenât needed. An internal raid system to escrow the gold would be nice.
You donât hit gold cap tell end of naxx, tbc. Minor problem. Annoying one though for sure.
I seriously doubt Blizzard is going to formalize a player created loot system - to offically âsupportâ it and plan portions of the game with it in mind. They donât have any official support tools for loot council, DKP, bid DKP, or GDKP. Those are all player created systems that players use at their own risk.
Blizzardâs only nod to loot distribution is the various rolling systems they have put into the game mechanics that remove the need for a Master Looter. Group loot with rolls, personal loot, etc. Depending on which version of the game you are playing.
Yea I got 5+ years of gdkps and never heard of anyone getting a ban as collateral damage.
Biggest consume prices are mana potions and scrolls.
Both of which canât be crafted.
Mana potion is currently the best mana pot you can use but requires 160 alch to craft which we canât do yet, so these potions on the AH are all found.
Same with scrolls of agi and str 2, they canât be crafted either.
Faps and crafted stuff is cheap, faps on my server are already down to 24 silver each.
Next phase we get Greater Mana Potions which can actually be crafted at 205 alch so those should also be very cheap.
Alot of the current economy is because the way they do the level caps, which is also why boe greens and boe blues are so expensive.
Mantle of Thieves being the most expensive item in the game currently.