Yeah, the new zone for 9.2 is full of catch up gear. The only dungeons people are doing are Mythic+, which you can’t queue for anyway.
So it will be available for all of 12 weeks of WotLK. Sounds about Blizzard.
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You’re misreading the line and missing the point, but it’s understandable because it reads ambiguously I suppose.
I am literally saying that we are forced to use it, but that’s not the primary reason that we find RDF to be bad for the game.
Nobody against RDF is saying “I dislike RDF because I have to use it”. That’s basically a compound of saying the same thing twice in one sentence, it’s redundant. Yes, we don’t like to have to use RDF, because we already don’t like RDF. Duh.
People are against RDF because of its impacts on community and the social aspects of the game.
You’re wrong here. Its existence is the problem. Anyone using it impacts the game for everyone. Its mere existence, its availability to be used, has the impacts that anti-RDF players do not want on the experience.
You might argue that it’s small, sure. Just because something is a small effect, still doesn’t make it desirable, though.
You didn’t question my bush league snark and terrible speculation when I agreed with the initial premise. No, it didn’t become bush league snark and terrible speculation until I disagreed. You accepted some, but not all, snark as reasonable grounds for argument. Sounds…fallacious to me.
When you are ready to ya know, say something without trying to be a clever forum troll, I’ll listen.
You accused the OP of making a fallacious argument. You didnt explain why it was fallacious. You gave your two bit analysis of why you think it is but now how it actually is. Big difference.
Id rather talk to a wall which would be pretty much the same thing so Ill just do that. Thanks anyway though.
I’m not sure I misunderstood you, but maybe I did and don’t have anything else to add to that…so moving on…
And people are for LFD because they are accustomed to the reality of an atrocious, un-fixable* community and use WoW as entertainment and look for social aspects elsewhere. We just want to log on, get groups and log back off and have more time for that social life. And most know LFD ain’t perfect…hell its not even good…but if you take it away you gotta do something about why it was ever put in in the first place. I mean you get that right? Its a game (supposedly) about grouping and we got piss poor tools to do it. Lastly, removing LFD in the absence of any moves to actually try and improve the social aspects of the game just comes off as arbitrary and capricious. Its fine they want to (supposedly) help encourage a better community- and I hope they do- but they really should have included some plan, some strategy, some kind of idea of how they were to achieve that with the news LFD was off the table. But more than all that…we just want groups man.
*It could be fixed but since 2004 Blizzard has done nothing to impose or enforce any sort of behavioral standards and no reason to suspect that will change
You replied to me…bro
How does it affect this exactly? Whispering “inv” to the group leader isn’t much different than the group being formed automatically. With the tbc or retail premade group finders you don’t even have to say anything at all you put your name on a list and you can be invited without saying anything.
It doesn’t really do anyone any favors to intentionally distill the group making process down to universally always presenting as the most un-social version of the situation.
There are very many scenarios where group making can be a very social process, and can even lead to future social interactions.
Do really boring, un-social runs happen even without RDF? Sure.
RDF nixes the possibility of such a thing occurring entirely.
No, you can still form groups manually if you want to.
Not nearly as effectively with the player base split.
And you can still go experience RDF in retail.
You realize you just did the thing right? The thing I said you shouldn’t do in the OP?
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Yes, because your argument is flawed. You can still form groups manually with LFD in the game. I don’t want to play retail, I want to play wotlk as faithful to the original as possible. You want social interactions from forming groups manually but refuse to form groups manually because I can use LFD in retail? How does that make sense at all.
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Yes because most people actually don’t mind using LFD and think it somehow hurts the game in some invisible way just like gold buying, bots, and gdkps. In reality, it doesn’t affect you that much.
I mean it does hurt the game in ways.
No, there is no argument. You are making a fallacious argument by saying that our concerns are thwarted because we can simply go/do/play anything else.
That’s not how things work.
Think of not having RDF as a benefit to the game. That’s how anti-RDF players see it.
If you add it, whether or not one uses it or not, its existence effects the experience for everyone.
It’s the same argument with dual spec. It’s not as simple as just not using dual spec if you don’t like it. Other people will use it, and thus it affects everyone else’s game, even if they don’t use it.
Again, these effects maybe small, or they may be big, it actually doesn’t matter, they are effects nonetheless.
Saying “RDF impacted the social aspects of WoW” isn’t exactly gripping or brave to say. Most reasonable people already accept this as objective historical truth.
Myself and others have told you why your wrong countless times but you just seem to ignore it.
There is nothing objective about what you’re saying you are in every LFD thread arguing against it. It doesn’t matter anyway LFD is already gone. It isn’t going to make me stop playing but it is another example of a vociferous minority getting what they want at the expense of everyone else.
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I would like it mostly for low level dungeons. There are barely any groups doing these dungeons because it’s just not worth the time and you need people that are actively looking for that specific dungeon. LFD making any groups at all is way more social than these players just solo questing or getting boosted.
Eh, more like validating Blizzards choice to remove it. I never campaigned to get it removed.