So you’ve said we disagree, but I’m not sure I understand exactly what your position is here.
Do you think Blizzard is making a mistake and you’d like to see them change course?
Are you OK with RDF gone and a re-tooled LFG?
The point I’m making in this thread is that by saying “if you don’t like it, don’t use it” you essentially invite the inverse version: if you don’t like it, play retail.
It’s a complete loop, and it’s a pointlessly flawed tangent.
They can’t use #nochanges. They can’t say “if you don’t like it, don’t use it”. Saying either is laughable (and hypocritical for those who have leaned on it so hard in the past). There needs to be legitimately made points for why lack of RDF is going to hurt WOTLK Classic and a vast majority of its players, because right now Blizzard is not seeing the same forecast.
Now mind you there are people out there making legitimate arguments, those people I’m not addressing.
And it’s not even authentic because Rdf wasn’t out for most of wrath unless you are playing the “oh the content draught at the end counts” card which anyone doing is obviously at a loss for actual good arguments and is being petty.
But do you see the problem with this form of LFG tool? People will post their LFM for x dungeon, and write in their ilvl/gearscore requirements, and then they can go further achievement check as they invite people who sign up. It’s just a more advanced, more convenient gatekeeping tool for people who have already cleared content and gotten their gear. People already do this with the LFG premade tool in retail.
Dungeon Finder has built in gatekeeping with minimum item level to queue for heroics and ICC dungeons/heroics.
Gearscore came about completely organically in WOTLK anyway…it was going to happen regardless, it’s a natural result of the huge ilvl jumps they added between tiers and players want to make sure they’re inviting a player that is relatively at least somewhat prepared for what they’re doing gear-wise, especially when a full set of appropriate ilvl gear is made so easily accessible every single tier.
The reason your argument doesn’t really make sense is that RDF is for…dungeons. Not raids.
Dungeons in WOTLK do not usually have any sort of “gatekeeping” methodology present on any level of play because they’re all so easy anyway, regardless of ilvl.
So I don’t see how a dungeon LFG tool would somehow adopt any of the gatekeeping elements of modern day retail raiding.
If that is true, that is good. The Wrath LFD isn’t what I wanted, I wanted an updated version. There was stuff like if you were kicked from the group you didn’t get a penalty for it in a set time period or something. I had tanks demand that we kick them on dungeons they didn’t like so they could get an instant que again.
As much as I wanted the LFD system I don’t want it so easy for people to abuse the system again
So your argument is also invalid. If they remove it those that are in favor of it can’t use it. But if you keep it, those that are against it can opt to not use it.
If you don’t support LFD, then I want you to do me a favor to prove that you are not in favor of it. Don’t accept a summon, ever again. Walk to the dungeon. And never pug again. You are only allowed to group with people you know.
Because he’s out of touch with the community which is why retail is garbage. The whole reason we are having this discussion is because we don’t agree with the devs.
Your initial thoughts that “If you don’t like it, don’t use it” are sound. As a pro LFDer, I agree its a silly thing to say. What I found interesting in your post was the line I quoted.
Of freakin’ course its why you are against it. You would be forced to use it. You know you would. Thats your problem with it all. You just don’t want to use it. Which honestly is fine, but don’t try to sell me on some garbo take like
Please. If they put it in and no one used it neither you nor anyone else would give 2 sh*ts that it ‘merely existed’. You are upset because you know damned well it would become the primary way groups are formed.
At the very least, maybe you wouldn’t use it and you know that would entail alot of lonely nights, which you could then correctly blame on the success of LFD. So anyway, if you are going to make a post against fallacious argument, don’t put fallacious arguments into said post.
Most of the classic social community was DOA, was very clear when I first started playing classic that most of the community just cared about rewards and not the journey. Most dungeon groups were made to clear the instance as fast as possible for xp or loot.
Removal of the dungeon finder completely removes the option for the half of the community that wants it. If it’s in the game the people that don’t want it can simply keep forming their own groups.
What they should do is incentivize forming groups without dungeon finder, by removing the extra rewards from LFD and/or adding rewards if you don’t use it. That is more of a compromise because both groups can do what they want.
I never said that, I said that the devs not listening to feedback is what makes retail bad, they keep implementing systems that people don’t like but ignore feedback. In the case of LFD, not many people were asking for it to be removed from wotlk. The devs should realize that a large portion of the classic community does want LFD and at least provide an adequate compromise. Ion saying play retail if you like LFD is the exact opposite of listening to the community which he said they are trying to get better at in the same video.
I agree with you. I roll my eyes every time I see someone post that. People could easily retort with “If you don’t like RDF not being added to the game, then don’t play the game” lol.
Its all them words above that…but something tells me you knew that and that you just don’t agree with me and thought you’d insert something clever. Its OK, you can try again, you’ll get it right next time…a whopper forum burn the likes of which have ne’er been seen!
Retail went south because the dev team took too many cues from players with regard to design. Players complain about the systems in retail now but forget the role they played by getting it there in the first place.
Part of why retail is what it is - is thanks to things like LFD.
All thats above that is your bush league snark and terrible speculation. There’s nothing there that thwarts the idea that LFD is bad for socialization - which is what I asked you for. Its not enough to say its fallacious, you gotta like yknow, make your case.
THANK YOU. This is easily one of the most obnoxious things that people seem to have a bad habit of saying. It’s funny because you could use the exact same logic in favor of Dungeon Finder never being implemented by saying “If you don’t like the game without Dungeon Finder, don’t play it!” and that obviously doesn’t satisfy or even seem to make any sense to them.
Enough with this ridiculous notion that wanting Wrath to be free of Dungeon Finder is somehow indicative that we want to “control” how other people play or that it doesn’t affect us.
