Sounds logical to me.
Don’t like it don’t use it. I don’t like rgbs in retail so I don’t use that feature. I can still BG no problem.
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That’s the active choice you have to make though, if you don’t have what you need or is required to make a group for a dungeon, then you must brave the treacherous game world, and maybe you’ll find a person out there doing the same, and you’ll group up together to mitigate the difficulty of filling a party from scratch.
By using RDF, you remove yourself from the viable pool of individuals to either be recruited organically, or you also remove the chance you’ll be out in the world trying to make up for no grouping opportunities.
There’s simply no way around this : RDF impacts the social aspects of WoW.
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Yes it was a good nostalgia trip to experience that in classic, although the playerbase wasn’t the same and groups were just rushing to get the most xp possible and didn’t do all the quests in those dungeons so it wasn’t quite the same experience I had 15 years ago. It also made me realize how much I like RFD, losing a little bit of that in exchange for a massively improved dungeon experience is nice.
I would like it mostly for low level dungeons.
This is a sideline comment because this is not the crux of the issues revolving around LFD: I’m not sure RFD would solve that problem if on the whole, just no one across all servers want to run Gnomer. Plenty of lower-level bracket BGs just never pop, even WSG that only requires 10 people. Lower level dungeons only require 5 people but there’s additional roadblocks that BG queues don’t have such as role check and motivation to run it (no drops and no quests in WSG/AB and people queue it just because, versus people probably only queue up for a dungeon if they have quests or after a specific drop).
Personally I’d be OK with a LFD tool that works just like a BG queue but for dungeons obviously. You can queue up and wait for the group to form and that’s it, no extra rewards like emblems and whatnot. The teleportation/x-realm features I can see arguments for and against, and personally I’d ultimately be OK with it. The extra rewards to me is the non-negotiable. If LFD came with that then you definitely can’t say “if you don’t like it don’t use it.” Because I wouldn’t be using it because I liked the tool, I would be using it because I liked the rewards.
On the flip side of that, RDF opens up opportunities to become friends with people from other realms you otherwise would not have had the opportunity to. Theres been instances where people met new friends with the cross realm tech that led to them or the people they met transferring realms so they could play together, sometimes for years.
It is absolutely true that if you dont want to use it you dont have to. Even with RDF existing people would organically form groups and queue the RDF.
I was never sitting in a capital city just waiting on a queue to pop. I queued so I could go out and do the things I wanted to do without having to watch trade chat all day long.
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How exactly does this positively or even measurably impact in any practical sense, any given realm?
No, this is, as stated hundreds of times now, a fallacious argument.
Let’s say you have a job, and you need a car to drive to it, but you don’t like cars and the fuel emissions.
“If you don’t like it, don’t drive it”.
Except this is a non-option. The person has to drive it to do and get what they need.
“You don’t need to work for that job, find something close”
…is probably your next line. Which is basically “Well then find a different game”.
In which case, we can safely and fairly say to you “Ok if you don’t like no RDF, go play retail”.
Do you see how “if you don’t like it don’t use it” just always leads to nowhere? So stop using it.
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I was in an LFR and the GM of the best guild on my small server at the time just happened to be in it and he whispered me after saying I did great dps, and he poached me into his guild the next tier, so yeah interactions can happen with random matchmaking.
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You leaving your server to be in another guild =| spurred social interaction on a given server, which is what we’re claiming RDF damages.
There is nothing in RDF that “forces” you to use it. You can do dungeons without using it, you can form groups without using it. You “feeling” forced to use it is irrelevant, facts do not care about your feelings.
No, it was the same server but a really small one, and the guild I was in was toxic.
That social moment you had in LFR? Yeah it didn’t exist.
/sarcasm
Right, there’s also nothing saying you need your car to get to work, you just need to leave for work 4-5 hours earlier or show up late every day. Definitely not forced.
Have you ever heard of the “illusion of choice”?
Okay we’re in meme territory now lol.
You are the one disregarding facts to use low-brow, lowest common denominator logic such as “if you don’t like it, don’t use it”.
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So yeah, no real choice.
Everyone’s argument is “there’s too many boosties in lfg!” Maybe the compromise should be to allow people to queue for Vanilla and TBC dungeons instead of wotlk dungeons. This would get rid of boosters below wotlk and then maybe later on during ICC patch, allow wotlk dungeons. The nay sayers will have had their taste and the yesmen, mostly tourists or people with lives on a very casual game that they dedicate their life to in secrecy, will have their dungeon finder.
People walk to work everyday and people ride bikes to work everyday despite having their own cars. Must make you upset seeing people exercising their options to choose how they want to travel because you feel forced to use your car.
People drive across the country even though plane tickets are cheaper than the gas it took them to get them there and planes would get them to the destination in less than half the time.
Its not illusion of choice, its your feelings.
Okay. So tell me then…
Are you explicitly implying that in a world where RDF exists, that there is always an extremely healthy non-RDF-using community available for those who dislike the impacts the feature had on the game?
How about this: put any actual additional rewards from dungeons other than the loot only in organically formed runs (so badges and daily heroic reward). If you use RDF, you can only do quests and get drops/boss loot.
This allows you to form dungeons any time of the day, but natural group formers still get an incentive for their style of play. Fair?
Oh wait, that’s right, you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too even though your cake was removed from the game at this point…
As long as we get permanent WotLK servers this isn’t an issue.
There isnt a healthy non rdf community right now in classic. The impacts the feature would have on smaller communities is far more positive than going through the motions we currently have. Atleast the smaller communities would get to enjoy content.
By all means, incentivize organically formed groups. I don’t really care about the extra incentive the rdf gives for joining it. I didnt run rdf for extra badges, I spammed dungeons because I like spamming dungeons.
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Show me a demonstration or example of how a natural dungeon group forming community is healthy and alive despite the existence of RDF.
If you can’t, your suggestion to “just don’t use it” is completely hollow of actual good intentions.
All I have to do is go on any server not named Grobbulus to show you an example that RDF doesn’t make a community be any more bad than the community is without it.
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