check my comment here that you clearly didn’t read… Hunters in my guild want to get ashkandi - #342 by Sîxx-incendius
Just in-case you don’t take the time to read it though, you do know how logs work right? Top parses are literally just crit luck. Look at any hunter parse and you’ll see higher than 30% (or even just 30% crit). Compare that to exact same amount of hits, but less crit, and suddenly it’s a 95 or whatever. Mechanically, the player that did a 95 could have played better than the one with a 99. However, crit rng suggests that the 99 player is better. Is that true? no. If the 95 guy melee weaved and lost 1 auto but added 4 raptors, but say got a 96 instead, is it mechanically and fundamentally worse than the 99 guy? no.
The only way to see “how good” something is like that is to take it normalized to the same % crit of w/e, then compare the two. Lose an auto for 1k damage? but gain 1 raptor for 1k damage? You tell me- is that the same damage or worse? Raptor is always going to hit harder than an auto, so you tell me- Is REPLACING an auto with a raptor more damage or worse? For the record, weaving doesn’t replace an auto completely it delays part of one (30-40%)
if less than 0.1% of players are doing it and only 0.001% of them are in the 99th percentile, how do you expect the top 100 to ALL be doing it? Especially when top 100 is ALL crit luck and maybe 10% skill?
Seriously though, my previous comment is a good read. I suggest you read it…
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False. Vanilla hunters have two good melee abilities. Raptor strike and mongoose bite
I will answer your question, but first I need to see a 30 page dissertation from all interested parties as to why they they demand the “ashkandi”.
Imagine giving a 2hander to a hunter over a warrior so he can raptor strike once in melee range right before he dies LOL
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Imagine not reading, I don’t know, about 15 comments up? Hunters can very successfully hit 4-8 or so raptors depending on the fight and the kill time. Adding between 50-150dps depending on weapon and luck. We also have +20% reptor crit talent.
The warrior won’t use it at all, unless just for the lols or pvp.
Sixx and Goon are saying things that don’t mesh. Sixx I understand and agree with how the logs are hard to analyze, and how the true impact is hard to determine at this point.
Then Good comes in and says “adds between 50 and 150 dps”. Lol. Adds it. If that were the case ever top hunter would be doing it, bar none.
It’s not hard to understand, not many hunters do it as it hasn’t caught on as meta and it requires much more skill. This produces a smaller sample size to draw from for “Lucky crit streaks”.
If you have 20dps arrows your not always going to do 3dps more then if you had 17dps arrows. But it is a higher probability you will do more dps.
China may have more people over 100 then any other nation, or even the oldest person in the world. But that does not mean your more likely to live older because your chinese, it just means China has a bigger population so there is more chance that they will have some people live over 100.
The math doesn’t lie, the statistics do.
Had to repost this as it bugged out because internet was dropping in and out.
What do you mean “all” the gear? DPS warriors get very little gear for themselves in both MC and BWL.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/warrior-dps-pve-gear-best-in-slot
One could say warriors get basically every item slot from both raids.
A lot of warriors view Arms as their main spec, and raid as fury.
It is generally assumed that warriors on PvP servers are raiding to get PvP gear. Most importantly, big 2 handers.
2 handers hardly benefit the raid from a total min max perspective (although they are still beast mode for cleave fights on a warrior and are highly competitive on Horde, still), but it hugely benefits a guild to have good PvP warriors. Giving 2 handers to hunters over warriors who also need them as a PvP upgrade is just going to cause massive warrior turnover.
Sure a lot of pallys view ret as their main spec druids view feral or boomkin theirs, shammys ele or enhance. Regardless of your out of raid spwc of choice, generally mainspec rolls are rolls that benefit further raid progress, not pvp prowess.
Imo if you aren’t at least rank 10 you don’t deserve to consider arms as a main spec. TUF and OEB are more than good enough to be competitive right now and if you haven’t been ranking with these easy to obtain items you are not a pvp warrior.
This is made even more true by the fact that any serious warrior should have been ranking anyway since their rank gear is actually great for both pve and pvp.
Warriors, the special little snowflakes of wow classic.
I would leave that guild and invest your time in another guild.
Better yet, start your own and take both legendaries 1 for the spec society makes you play the other for the spec you identify as.
I agree that if you’re justifying taking weapons for PvP, you should have to justify it. Ranking is one way to quantify it.
If you’re making a remark pointed at me, I’m currently 33% into rank 9, and this week I had ~380k honor. Not sure what I’m at, but I’m guessing I’ll need one more week. I have OEB and TUF in my bags. Ranking is very competitive on my server and no one else in my guild is higher than rank 8 I think. Most people tried and gave up. I am ranking to have the awesome PvP gear primarily and also to benefit my raid with the gear.
To fill in a lot of the missing pieces that we don’t get with free tier gear that every other class gets, fury warriors who want to be at the top have to rank to at least rank 10. It’s rough, but I’m looking forward to achieving it as well. Warriors have to put in serious work to get geared. Throwing them a bone for PvP once in a while will keep them motivated and happy to raid.
You know hunter bis is pvp gear right? We barely even get a dps increase from t1 to t2.
Because meme specs are just as vital to organized PvP as arms warriors.
I like how you left out all the vital classes / specs from competitive PvP (Disc Priest, Holy Pally, Frost Mage, etc). If you’re being selective like this, MS warriors wouldn’t be included in your list of meme specs either.
They are in no way memes when it comes to pvp, they will slap yout cow face right off with the right gear.
My comment wasn’t directed at you in particular since I naturally know nothing about you. As a hunter trying to weave and rank (albeit semi-casually) I find it annoying when warriors claim “it is important for guild pvp to gear your warriors!” despite those warriors clearly not actually pvping much with the guild.
I am absolutely on board with a ranking warrior or even just a very active warrior getting it over a hunter of similar rank/pvp activity, but people who clearly don’t pvp shouldn’t use pvp viability as their reason for getting prio when it can be used more elsewhere.
Obviously a 2h is way bigger for a warrior than a hunter but I personally still prefer to give it to a hunter that plays 30 hours a week over a warrior who plays 10 (excluding raids).
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