I think youre confused. Im talking about players being actioned for not playing the game other players think they should. Like doing quests in AV, and folks spam reporting players for nonparticipation and them being actioned for those reports. Vrak literally confirmed its a thing in that final paragraph I linked.
Still they will not action you for it happens only a couple times. Has to be a pattern of doing so before it happens
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I didn’t compare whether that screenshot is altered or not or anything, but I figured I’d search and see if I could find the original post, which is here:
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You do know Blizzard can see a lot more than what you claimed. Blizzard actually looks at the history of the player before deciding on whether to action them for non-participation.
Keep in mind:
Now, if you think that there should be some adjustments, whether with objectives and quest within battlegrounds, or have a better solution to the PVP nonparticipation, might I suggest posting it here?
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While yes, folks can 100% be dinged for non-participation, what is being glossed over is that sanctions come down from non-participation over several days and many BGs. If someone goes in to knock out a quest and it takes them one, maybe two to farm the needed mob(s) to complete the quest - the GMs can see that.
Now, if you go in for several matches and stealth hide in a tower or even just hide over in a well populated NPC area to farm the mobs and get spillover honor while not participating in the PvP part of things? They see that too, and those are the instances that will get you sanctioned.
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Oh, there’s someone confused here, alright.
What you posted says nothing about objectives/quests/harpies, nor does it say “yes, you will be actioned”. In fact, it was specifically said that:
And:
Emphasis is mine.
Yes, doing your own thing in a BG is likely to get the attention of your teammates. Enough reports can lead to a debuff, which requires you to enter combat within a certain time frame. Enter combat, and nothing happens. Don’t enter combat, and you will be removed from the BG. A number of removals may trigger an investigation, where they will look at your participation across many BG’s.
The key component is not what you are doing at the time, but how you are helping your team. If you have a team that decides to back cap, defend the first rush, starve resources…then going to the mine/killing lieutenants/etc are fine actions. If you have a team that’s zerging as fast as they can, going to the mine/killing lieutenant/etc are not going to be fine. It’ll all about the context of the team, and the team’s apparent goals.
Same thing when it comes to defending. Defending a tower can be a fine strategy, but if you pick a tower and stay there the whole game without ever encountering an enemy, then it’s non-participation. It’s not defending anything, if the other team is not attacking it.
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No you are not allowed to grind Harpies in AV, battlegrounds are not a place you can grind mobs with no intent on participating in PvP, and yes that would likely get you reported and would likely result in an account action.
Now you can clear the harpies to do the quest, and that will not result in any action against you. While these things might sound the same, they are easy to distinguish. AFK/Non participation penalties are based on a pattern of activity, Blizzard won’t look at a single BG for this type of penatly, they look at your activity across multiple AVs. Now obviously if the BGs are going too fast for you to complete the quest, don’t continue to try it. Instead join the Zerg, and when the inevitable turtle happens, head over and grab the flag.
So yes, go and finish the quest for your trinket, but once thats done, you will want to participate in PvP and make sure your contributing in someway either with damage, or healing.
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This is not what Blizzard has said. There is no blanket approval or denial of anything in a BG. It is all dependent on what the team is doing, and how someone is participating in the group’s objectives.
Specific actions are not allowed or disallowed on their own merits. The context of what’s happening in the match is the most compelling factor.
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While they haven’t directly come out and said anything, I suspect if all you did for 30 AVs was to run and grind XP on harpies in the cave without any attempt to PvP, you will be reported, and likely be actioned, which is why I gave the two examples of simply grinding harpies for XP, versus doing the quest, the context matters.
Obviously killing a few harpies while you participate in PvP also wouldn’t be an issue. Overall PvP Battlegrounds are simply not an appropriate place to either grind mobs for XP, or fish, and we have seen people get actioned for this.
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While I don’t disagree with your suspicions on this, if it’s not been explicitly stated, then we shouldn’t try to infer conclusions.
Again, I agree with it not being an appropriate place, it’s all about the context. For example: a player understanding that the match is lost in the next 60 seconds, so they’ll just throw out a cast or two in the nearest river is not going to be actioned. However, player who sees this superfluous fishing and decides “hey cool, next match I’m just going to fish all game”…is a much different scenario.
The reason I’m bringing this up to you is that these scenarios of “I’m just questing” or “I just wanna fish” are not the impetus behind the actions. Those are legit in-game actions that players are allowed to do. These actions are based in longer patterns of players explicitly avoiding PvP combat or not helping the team.
I’m sure this isn’t your intent, but let’s not scare people into thinking one wrong turn in a BG is going to lead to an account action.
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I think you need to re-read that quote, because that is not what Vrak said there, flat out or implied.
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He (that being me) isn’t. You missed the paragraph just above the one you quoted:
That said “Farming” tends to indicate you are spending a great deal of your time doing that and you might take keep in mind what are you contributing to the overall match. While completing certain tasks in a BG isn’t exactly the same as non-participation, we tend to look at overall patterns when evaluating non-participation.
Just to be clear, that isn’t true. Simply being reported isn’t what results in an action. The reports are important, but they draw attention for our teams to look, they do not themselves result in a penalty.
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Thats taken out of context, non participation does not look at a single BG. People should not be afraid of not going with the Zerg. What Blizzard looks at is your overall play across multiple battlegrounds. If you as example do the quest, clearing the cave, grabbing the flag, then show completion, that would be fine especially if you are participating in all other BGs you join. Its patterns of behavior which show you are not participating or AFK which are problematic.
You also don’t need to be with the Zerg, just being with it wont actually show your participating. One way they do see participation is with damage and healing amongst likely other things, and honestly it’s very hard to participate and not have any damage or healing in a game. However if you do find yourself consistently sitting at a graveyard or tower, and seeing no combat games after game, you perhaps might want to change things up a bit and make sure you’re seeing some action.
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