Not surprising at all, to say the least for something like this. People exploited war chiefs blessing for ally raids using MC from priests. Or Shamans purging ally buffs from raids, etc.
Why are people still acting like a surprised Pikachu face like it doesn’t happen? Is this really that much of a shock? The only thing I’m surprised about wow in general is the notion that it’s a hard game.
For me, it’s not really surprise. It’s more me putting it out there. If attention is brought to it, others may see it and more may question why something is the way it is. I believe the attempts to shut down my questioning of the rules is an attempt to hold on to the “safety net” of using exploits to prevent death/make the run easier.
Then it’s a player issue. Simple as that. which, again, shouldn’t be surprising at all. No one plays wow classic like they did back in the day, they are just grinded out the pre bis and once that was done, they raid logged. Wanted nothing to do with it. Which brought in the boosting culture, the GDKP culture, PVP bracket culture, etc.
To summarize it all, this is what happens when something is known, and nothing was addressed to fix it. But to be far, they caved because if they did do changes, players would have been mad.
They also claim, “It’s part of the game”, which means they use the bugs and glitches because it was how it originally was. Then turn around and appeal, if a bug or glitch causes a death. This is hippocricy.
So you believe it’s hypocrisy, now what. What is it you want to accomplish here. Are you trying to cast a negative light on hard core play? Are you wanting to play HC but prefer different rules? Are you wanting Blizzard to fix these “glitches”? Not sure what your goal is here.
The final conclusion. That hc is turning into a cult.
And, the question is avoided.
As was mine.
My question gets answered, before I acknowledge others.
Yes it is. They sound like Musk fans when you speak to them.
Oh, so no real answer. Cool, I’ll go ahead and assume you are trolling, you certainly aren’t here to discuss…
Avoid it more, keep your get out of jail free card.
This is what the HC community does. I don’t give you permission to tell me what to do. If you don’t want to answer any questions, forfeit further discussion and admit to being wrong in all regards.
My question was asked first, you’re intentionally trying to avoid it. I specifically got hc players to say, multiple times, that glitches and bugs are part of the game. Now that is a defined term, it can’t be refuted.
It seems like the hc community cares. They abuse bugs and glitches, then appeal their death when they die to one… Why the hypocrisy?
This just sort of sounds like you want to be correct, rather than acknowledge that you are unwilling to understand or see other sides - let alone respect when others no longer wish to engage with you.
Ultimately, while some HC players may use exploits in the game, not all do. It just feels disingenuous to paint the entire HC community in a bad light because some people choose to play their HC runs this way, even when others don’t. I don’t entirely see the point of this thread, outside of there being some odd grudge against the HC community? While that may not be the case, please at least understand how it may come off to others, both HC players and those doing variants of the challenge/simply playing normally.
I’m just a random, how I come across doesn’t really matter. As long as I follow the forum rules. If they no longer want to engage with me, they should no longer respond to my thread. It’s on them, if they continue to reply, not me.
The point is to force this message into the eyes of the hc community. Since they can’t silence me here. When I ask about why they exploit, thinking it’s ok when it benefits them, then appeal when it doesn’t I’m met with hostile words. They even call me names, and tell me to shut up and go away. All while never even answering to explain their side of the story.
Yes, I can assure you the majority are exploiting. Any time I see someone ask about Hogger (as an example) the guild chat lights up with the fence pathing bug.
Overall, and I never got a real answer to this, I wanted to know why the hc community thinks that exploits are ok, but doing more than 1 of each type of dungeons in a hc run is a no no. As both have the same effect, making the game easier. One through bugs, the other through more possible gear.
You could…you know…ignore them. I mean why do you care?
I don’t really care if they utilize this stuff, but I do think it’s pretty funny that they say things like “HC is the real way to play WoW.” and “You’re just too much of a pansy to try playing HC”… and then they do the most cowardly things in-game xD
I’ll reiterate, I don’t care that they’re doing it… I just think it’s funny.
Because I like the hc idea.
It does if you want people to take you with any modicum of seriousness, admittedly. As is, I do agree with others’ assessments that this comes off more like trolling than any genuine concern or question. If that isn’t your intent, then my apologies - but, that is the vibe your thread has given off so far.
That isn’t really how forums work. People are free to engage with threads, even if they no longer want to engage with the OP themselves. Plenty of discussion to still be had with others in the thread, after all! If people feel like it.
… But, genuinely, why? Do you think it will change anything? Do you think it will make people stop playing HC, or play it differently? Stop people from engaging in HC?
I guess that is ultimately what some are confused about. There doesn’t seem to really be a point to this outside of some selfish personal reasons.
I wouldn’t know. I don’t make the HC rules. I also don’t think it really matters much, in the end - if people don’t want to play that way, they are not forced to. If you like the idea of HC but don’t enjoy the rules enforced by the current addon for it, you can join in the death = delete only HC community attempting to form on Atiesh! I just think knocking the way others play HC isn’t really conducive to anything.
To be fair My best guess is 2 resasons.
Pathing, evade spots etc all have to do with how the physics and ingame engine behaves, and players interaction with those physics, whereas the multi dungeon rule addresses how players interact with other players.
The second reason is more of a logistical reason, and that it’s impossible to code the myriad of different physics interactions into the rules that would force your addon to fail.
With all this being said, I do think they should at least put something on the rules that stipulate that while it’s not currently against the rules, it is frowned upon.
I am not playing HC at this time. I do understand there are differing rulesets that people have used to play in that format. The folks on Bloodsail Buccaneers (for the most part) appear to be using the rules popularized by a certain streamer that is being referred to as “Road to Ragnaros”. This ruleset is the one that has the death appeals and single dungeon runs. There are others including the group getting off the ground on Atiesh that do not use that ruleset and are trying to make play a bit more group-friendly.
The thread:
If you are interested in something different, I’d check them out.
To answer your question as a person from the outside looking in, some of the folks playing on Bloodsail are a bit too sensitive and insular about their play. I’ve played on BsB since the day it opened and if I want to roleplay I’ll thank others not to call me “rp f_____” or tell me to get off their server if I’m not HC or be abusive if I am using public channels to attempt to trade or answer questions or offer to group. That’s not all HC players for sure and I’m betting it’s not all HC players that agree with taking advantage of pathing glitches or what have you. The appeals do seem silly to me but those are the rules that they want to follow. It does seem inconsistent with what my idea of “hardcore” should be but that’s why I’m not playing with those rules. It sounds like you have been playing HC with those rules
but please correct me if I am mistaken.
Ultimately, it is the individual that is seeking validation. If someone else feels that what they are doing to get to the goal is fine and does not “tarnish” their achievement in anyway then I guess I feel that it’s okay for them to play pretend they way they wish. Because you’ve stated you like the HC idea (I do as well - it’s an interesting variant to the game) maybe consider a different community if the one on BsB isn’t working out for you. The folks heading to Atiesh sound awesome to me. Good luck to you, Experimentr. I know I didn’t really answer your question but I do feel the answer will vary by individual.