Dungeon and ELITE damages - do it right for god sake

I love this.

All those naysayer claiming you couldn’t do X or Y…

you know we still have those same people on live, right?

hop on an alt, go run some mythic +7 or +9… you’ll see plenty of ilvl 390-400 people claiming it’s impossible to go over 12kdps at their gear level, while I was pulling 15k single target last tier at ilvl 385.

Kjell’s angel team TIMED a +15 atal dazar on the very first week M+ came out at like ilvl 350 gear… while most people couldn’t even get their +10 done on time.

Or just look at the difference between normal-mode raider and mythic-mode raider…

Just because you think something is impossible doesn’t mean it is. What might be ‘hard’ for an awful player is cakewalk for a good player ( see: mythic guild clearing new heroic raids on day 1). Maybe you were just bad then, and can’t believe those players are better than you.

Pretending classic WoW was hard is laughable. I cleared MC with half of my raid team being potatoes. I’ve farmed Dire maul names with 3 people trying to get our warrior his quel’serrar. I solo’d through BRD many times in order to get those leg stamina enchant…

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They could post tests of literally every dungeon mob and people would claim there was something else going on.

People wont be happy until Classic matches not what Vanilla was, but what their memories feel like it was.

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That’s fine. But there were plenty of posts - tons of them asking for an update on elite trash dungeon mobs. So far - nothing. You’re also assuming they did. Fact is, we don’t know. And I’m asking the question.

I might have mistyped and said non elite dungeon mobs.

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Nah. A statement saying they tested it and it is working as intended is fine.

Indeed. Or how things were on their preferred private server, I’d wager.

And the post that addressed the boss in Dead Mines simultaneously addresses all of those posts, as well.

The point was not “this boss is correct.” The point was “we have the data, and we know the values are correct.”

That’s exactly what the post about the boss in Dead Mines was meant to be.

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There was no official statement. You’re assuming they did. I’m not asking for them to test every elite trash. But take a level 30 tank and see how much damage he takes when spam pulling packs of 5 elite mobs - levels above him. And use Gnomer or something - a supposedly more difficult instance at the time.

It was? Do you work at Blizzard? There was a huge concern about the elite trash mobs as well.

They posted saying they tested a mob and your response was to go on about how 1.12 is bad because it doesn’t match what you feel it should be like.

Granted they should still make sure everything is working fine, but I really don’t expect those on the forums who are most vocal right now to be fine with it if Blizzard comes back and says it’s working as intended.

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it’s not their job to prove everything is correct, it’s your job to prove them wrong.

right now they used one of the very few useable footage from back then to prove their values are indeed correct. Basic programming knowledge suggest damage calculations goes through the same functions and should also work properly… so you’ll have to find an extra factor somewhere that would change those functions.

for every person that remember dying an horrible death whenever they pulled 2 elites, you’ll have someonelse remembering solo’ing devilsaur in un’goro or solo’ing the dark keeper in BRD… everyone was awful during vanilla, but some were even worse than others.

People sure put a lot of faith into their 15+ year old memories.

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Did you run these in 1.12?

Do you think they changed the numbers as the patches progressed?

I’d still be making fun of 1.12 but at least I’d know that Blizzard has done everything to make sure it was accurate - and my praying that they did find something.

Seriously, make an official statement and I won’t bring up mobs not being potentially accurate or anything related to it every again. That being said, I’m assuming 1.12 is correct (I just want validation), and frankly - it’s a joke.

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I think you are right - the good thing is that 1.12 pvp balancing is better overall. Guys wanting a pve challenge are going to have to wait a bit.

At no point did I say that it was inaccurate.

I might have said it “felt” wrong, but I also acknowledged that people’s experiences were different. I stopped leveling at what - 1.6? I also have said plenty of times that the 1.12 experience is not the overall Vanilla experience.

But again, 1.12 inaccurate regarding numbers? Never said it. Blizzard has a reference client. It’d be foolish of me to tell THEM they are wrong - regarding 1.12. I just want validation. That is all.

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Why is this topic still going? Is there something you need in a blue post? This topic has been responded to in the most clear way possible.
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Yeah. A blue posted in the other thread about this topic and said Classic was playing the same way their 1.12 client did numbers wise.

It is the way it was and these people should really move on.

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Thank you, sir.

They already covered it. Memories are wrong (or distorted by Private Servers).

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Oh man, if it was always spelled “stain”, why did I ask my parents if it was pronounced “steen” or “stine”?

My dad has a tractor from the 1930’s, so I know for a fact that the Ford logo always had that curly q in the “F”, but it was definitely Beren-stein during the 80’s.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/506837361/vintage-1980s-berenstain-bears-books

Check your neck for a puncture wound or a lump to see if you’ve been forcibly jumped across different timelines. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: