Classic was the mile. Now with TBC, LOL. The gap is huge.
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No boosts, no dual spec. Give me TBC as it was made. I came here for the classic experience. Not TBC with retail systems.
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Then they need to allow cost decay if you donāt use it for a while.
Havenāt respecced in over a year, yet the cost if I chose to is still 15g.
Wasnāt it originally 1,000 gold, then you could only swap at a trainer?
Iād definitely support that option.
i dont think you had to swap at a trainer besides changing talent points in your dual specs. maybe rested area only? i forget.
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No one is asking for the retail system of having different unique specs that are essentially classes on their own. They are asking for the WOTLK version. Those are different and to say they are the same is completely false.
Also āthe classic experienceā is what ruined classic in the first place.
hell iād pay 10,000 gold for it. just because it allows me the ease of mind and not be bothered to go to trainer and manually click the talents every time
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If the health of the game demanded even more gold sinks then you surely wouldnt be allowed to transfer over with 20,000 gold to start the expansion with, as more than one person is going to do.
Either the amount of gold in the economy must be tightly constrained or it doesnt matterā¦you cannot have it both ways.
This is a gameā¦ Itās not a career. Iām pretty sure most people play this as an escape. Lifeās full of enough tough choices. Why should folks have to make them during their entertainment, too?
Personally, I think itād be much much healthier for guilds if our healers and tanks could farm easier, or enjoy PvP.
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I donāt think I ever had that much during all of TBCā¦ 10k is a bit much.
After talking to multiple people about dual spec in BC, here is my stance on the topic. Iād say:
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Yes to dual spec, if it provides a way to have one PVE spec (only useable in PVE) and one PVP spec (only useable in PVP).
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No to dual spec, if it provides a way to have 2 PVE or 2 PVP specs simply because it damages spec identity
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May i ask why you would want Blizzard to invent a new system, as opposed to using one that is already used and liked by the community (the wrath version of Dual Spec).
And if your argument is spec identify, wouldnāt that also make changing your spec in PVP changing your identify? I.E. you are a PVE Holy paladin, and a PVP Ret Paladin?
If your argument is also āwell this game can be split into 2, a PVE environment of raiding / dungeons / etc, and BGs and arenasā then canāt the same argument be made ofā¦ PVE is split into 2 environmentsā¦ raiding / dungeons / heroicsā¦ and solo questing / dailies / etc? Clearly Raiding and doing Dailies cannot be considered the same tier of content.
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And Iām 100% on that list give us dual spec please.
Iāve heard the arguments and I just think theyāre silly.
1 We need a gold sank for all the people that have a ton of gold.
Doesnāt work If I have hundreds of thousands of gold why do I even need to respect to begin with and thatās not going to bother me if I do.
Itās only going to hurt the people that donāt have a ton of money.
2 Wasnāt in the game originally so it shouldnāt be and there now.
Iām sorry this is stupid I played back then I can say a lot of people would have loved that in the game let alone weāve seen the consequences of what no changes can bring.
Spell batching, And the original pvp system Are 2 really big ones.
So yeah Some changes are fine and I think dual spec is one of them it doesnāt kill The burning crusade.
3 It destroys class identity
OK 1st off itās not class Identity Spec identity is really what youāre talking about
Let alone I think this is silly and a lot of people Iām sure would agree if Iām a Arms Warrior Or a fury Warrior guess what Iām still a Warrior.
This doesnāt destroy the class fantasy OK it doesnāt On top of that you can still say youāre a main ret paladin, Or a main shadow priest.
Thus the term main spak, And you can be off spec of something else So again Iām sorry I just think that silly.
Anyway I say #DualSpec in tbc
Tanks would disagree with this, theres only 2 tank spots to fill so this forces me to go heal or dps but i want to tank 5 mans but i dont want to be bothered to switch spec everyday to do so. how bout we just let hybrids have dual spec since only they are the ones who actually need it hmm?
Well consider day 1 raiding. You have a 25 man roster for your raids but you donāt need 4 tanksā¦ You have your raid split into 2 for Karaā¦ That needs 2 tanks eachā¦ So between raids someone will be respeccing. So in this scenario you canāt really have someone be in a hybrid spec.
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Raid healer says yes to dual spec.
#nochanges was always a pipe dream with servers three times the size of vanilla.
Yep, I believe PVP and PVE are 2 in 1 type of game. Total different animals. Apples and oranges. So no spec identity sharing between the 2.
And No, PVE is when you play against environments, doesnāt matter if itās dungeon or raid, heroics or normal.
In PVE if you are a fury warrior, You are a fury warrior. And if you want to change your identity to prot for example you gotta pay the 50g. Same as in PVP if you are shadow priest, You are shadow priest, and if You want to change your identity to disc priest You gotta pay the cost.
However, you should be able to play both of these games, PvP and PVE without an extra cost, as You are not changing your identity, You are basically changing your game. Like to me you shouldnāt be forced to pay extra, if you wanna be a prot warrior in PVE and an arms warrior in PVP, but you should be charged if you sometimes want to be a fury warrior in PVE and and sometimes a prot warrior in PVEā¦
Isnāt the main difference between retail and vanilla wow the way class identify is defined?
In retail, you arenāt a mageā¦ You are a frost mageā¦ Or a fire mageā¦ Or an arcane mageā¦ And you have (until recently albeit not to any real extent) no access to spells from the other specs. Sure a frost mage has fire ball but the spec plays completely differently.
In classic and tbcā¦ You are a mageā¦ You have access to frost, fire, and arcane spellsā¦ Your choice of talents define which of your spells youāll use moreā¦ And sure some of the talent specific buffs / spells you wonāt have if you focus in one tree or the other. But you have the freedom to spend those talents however you want.
So I fundamentally disagree with your argument of spec identify because in a sense your argument is more for the retail version of spec identify as opposed to class identify. Now I donāt want to confuse that with class/spec FANTASY as I believe those are different concepts entirely.
You arenāt completely locked out of other trees in retail you are locked out key spells, which is functionally how specs work in classic anyways. Especially since most people end up going for 30+ in one tree.
Actually it would be real interesting if you didnāt have to spec down a tree to get to end tier talents.
Sorry I donāt really play retail much, so I am not following you on that ā¦ itās not really about the spec purity or hybrid, itās about whatever the spec you have, you are identified as thatā¦ like warlock has a popular build in BC name SL/SL which is a hybrid of affli and demo. So if You play SL/SL warlock thatās your identity in PVPā¦ and if You want to change that into something else in PVP, like deep affli or destruction build, You should pay for the change of identity respecā¦ but if You want to PVE, you shouldnāt be forced to play SL/SL or pay for a respec ā¦
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