Dual spec please

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

His claim was that with dual spec he could change specs.

Something already doable without duel spec.

Try to keep up.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

His claim was that with dual spec he could change specs.

That was not his claim. Lying remains a sin even since the last time you were reminded.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Hakuto-ashkandi

Swapping between Disc and Shadow seems like an attractive venue to me.

Then he replied with “no you can’t” when I informed him he could already be swapping between disc and shadow, which is doable already, it just costs gold.

Try to keep up.

[Feywaif-atiesh]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

The person said they wanted dual spec so they could switch between healer and dps. They can already do that.

Then we can agree that dual spec is a minor QoL change since you can already change specs as much as you want.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

Then he replied with “no you can’t”

Which is him telling you you’re missing what he means, as you continue to do so now.

@Feywaif-atiesh

Then we can agree that dual spec is a minor QoL change since you can already change specs as much as you want.

Also this. If we accept the idea that is an existing mechanic that is only gated off by a trip to a trainer and gold, then adding Dual Spec changes no power balancing whatsoever.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

Dual spec doesn’t fix an issue, and it goes directly against the intended design goals of tbc, which tbcc is emulating.

No Dual Specs - Blue response inside

bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/98646792-we-need-free-respecs-or-spec-swapping/ Here you go, I’ll quote it here: This has been addressed many times before and I have to tell you, the answer is still “no” to both for the same reasons we’ve always given. There should be real investment into choosing a spec and reducing the cost or making it easy to do simple swaps would make the whole purpose moot. You’re assuming a bit much here. Your assumption is that we haven’t asked this question many ti…

It also removes consequences of choice, devaluing the rpg element of the mmorpg.

Dual spec changes player behavior more towards the arcade version that retail is, defeating the purpose of a classic game by letting choices have far less impact, which will lead to a meta shift that will impact every player, even those who chose not to get dual spec.

On top of the fact that the reason you want dual spec boils down to “my gold bro!”

Play the game and you have plenty of gold, aka stop raid logging.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

It also removes consequences of choice, devaluing the rpg element of the mmorpg.

Dual spec adds choices which is good, including the choice you have of simply not using it.

[Breadisfunny-atiesh]

if you don’t have the gear swapping specs isn’t going to fix anything. this isn’t wrath and you NEED the stats to go with it or you’ll just get your face smashed in.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

It doesn’t add choices, you can already change specs. It removes consequences of choices, there is a BIG difference there.

The consequence of changing your spec regularly was the gold price, and was used to discourage constant changing specs (not stop, just discourage it).

This was the intended design goals as you can see from the link I provided earlier.

Dual spec doesn’t add choice, this is a lie. It removes/reduces consequences of choice. Those consequences were there intentionally to discourage constant, endless spec changing. That is part of tbc intended design. This is tbcc, not wotlkc.

You will get dual spec with wotlkc. Not with tbcc.

[Crysiis-old-blanchy]

I would love duel spec. I would be playing this game so much more if there was that option. Raid ended and my arena team could play maybe 2-3 games. Can’t spending 100 gold for 3 games is not worth it.

Or maybe I have an unexpected window I can play a little, can’t don’t want to blow through 100 gold for 30 mins.

Also saying just play the game is silly. If I have to pay for respec every time there is a chance to play some games, probably will have 500-600g expense. No thanks, I’ll just raid log and then do my 10 games 1 night and call it quits.

Duel spec would provide so much more enjoyment to this game.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

It doesn’t add choices, you can already change specs. It removes consequences of choices, there is a BIG difference there.

The consequence of changing your spec regularly was the gold price, and was used to discourage constant changing specs (not stop, just discourage it).

This was the intended design goals as you can see from the link I provided earlier.

Dual spec doesn’t add choice, this is a lie. It removes/reduces consequences of choice. Those consequences were there intentionally to discourage constant, endless spec changing. That is part of tbc intended design. This is tbcc, not wotlkc.

You will get du al spec with wotlkc. Not with tbcc.

If you don’t like dual spec you can simply not use it, that is a choice.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

The gear is actually more important than the spec.

You can successfully do a heroic with 0 talent points on any of the party if you have proper gear. It’s more difficult, but doable.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

The gear is actually more important than the spec.

You can successfully do a heroic with 0 talent points on any of the party if you have proper gear. It’s more diffi cult, but doable.

And it really says a lot about you that you’re totally cool with making the rest of your group suffer by refusing to use a proper spec.

[Feywaif-atiesh]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

it goes directly against the intended design goals of tbc,

What the devs said in 2008:

bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/5288579356-multiboxing-rules-and-semantics/

What the devs said in 2021:

Policy Update for Input Broadcasting - May 2021

On November 3, 2020, we posted an update to our policy for input broadcasting software, and soon thereafter, we began taking action against accounts found to be using third party software to automatically mirror keystrokes to multiple game clients. We find that, like full automation of play, multiple-account mirroring disturbs the gameplay experience for the vast majority of players who control a single account at a time. We will now additionally prohibit the use of all software and hardware me…

It’s very clear that the current devs don’t care about what the original devs said. If they don’t care why should I care what you or the original devs said?

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Crysiis-old-blanchy

I would love duel spec. I would be playing this game so much more if there was that option. Raid ended and my arena team could play maybe 2-3 games. Can’t spending 100 gold for 3 games is not worth it.

You are chosing not to change spec because your opinion is that it is not worth it. But you still have the option to change specs.

You not wanting to do it because of the consequences does not mean you don’t have the option.

Dual spec does not add options.

You just don’t like the consequences of your choices.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Ziryus-pagle

And it really says a lot about you that you’re totally cool with making the rest of your group suffer by refusing to use a proper spec.

Min maxing easy content isn’t required.

That’s just you projecting onto others how to have fun.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

@Ziryus-pagle

And it really says a lot about you that you’re totally cool with making the rest of your group suffer by refusing to use a proper spec.

Min maxing easy content isn’t required.

That’s just you pro jecting onto others how to have fun.

Hmm… that far more accurately you telling others they don’t need dual spec because you want them to play the way you have deemed “correct”

And like I said it really says a lot about you that you are perfectly cool screwing your group over.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

@Feywaif-atiesh

It’s very clear that the current devs don’t care about what the original devs said. If they don’t care why should I care what you or the original devs said?

You’re projecting things out of context. The current devs chosing to do something about multiboxing when previuse devs didn’t isn’t them ignoring ALL origional dev views.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

It’s not the way I deemed correct its the way the origional game was intentionally designed. Backed by a blue post, history, facts and logic.

You not liking it because of your agenda of “my gold bro” doesn’t make it wrong, or correct. It’s how the game was INTENTIONALLY designed.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

It’s not the way I deemed correct its the way the origional game was intentionally designed. Backed by a blue post, history, facts and logic.

That doesn’t mean it was a good decision, a lot of vanilla design was in fact not very good. And dual spec was decided on during TBC because of issues during TBC, but you don’t like to admit that.