It’s essentially a red herring anyway. The’ve brought it up time and again despite the fact that it offers them no support for a desire against dual spec and gives us leeway to talk about their own contradictory standpoint when they admit they’re not against changes when it comes to what has been changed so far.
I mean, Zipzo even admitted this here in relation to paid level boosts:
In which case, this runs directly contrary to his narrative about GC’s expecting how adding new features to a game will probably change the game.
In other words, Zipzo is playing the game even though it implements changes he himself doesn’t want or thinks are mistakes. Which essentially means it doesn’t matter if he is arguing against Dual Spec because he’ll still play the game regardless.
You don’t have a problem doing this because you are a blatant troll and your goal does not stipulate that any of the consequences of your words matter.
Right but when you summarize you risk stripping meaning and nuance from the original idea.
Like I can use the same logic to summarize your position as “all changes” and subsequently dismiss it but that’s not going to be a convincing approach, is it?
That’s what we are currently doing. Any person that swaps between pve and pvp multiple times a week is either spending several hours farming gold or they just buy gold from websites.
The argument that players out in the world farming gold for respecs makes the game feel more active and alive is the best argument against dual spec I have heard so far.
It’s not an arbitrary change. Dual spec let’s pvp players spend less time farming gold and more time playing the game. Although the argument that farming gold is part of the game still holds some merit.
That’s a bit of a straw man. People aren’t arguing for retail to be ported over to tbc, they want one quality of life feature ported over that addresses an issue that is currently present in tbc classic.
You can’t describe my argument as “all changes” because I gave one specific change I would like to see, I described the issue that my proposed change would solve, and how it would solve it.
The person that I summarized as “no changes” used “dual spec wasn’t in original tbc” as their sole argument.
Thats not my sole argument. Its just a statement of fact (one of many) that backs my position. TBC doesnt need dual specs and pointing out that original TBC didnt have them reinforces that notion.
Etc is pointing out that youre logic cuts both ways. But of course youre not all changes lol so it doesnt apply to you, just the people you disagree with. Nothing contradictory about that at all.
I can farm 100+ raw gold doing 2-3 dailies every day for about 10 minutes a day and those dailies require little to no combat. That’s about 1 hour and 10 minutes through the week for over 100g. So unless you are changing specs with no regard at all to the cost, you don’t need to farm for 7 hours a week.
Even changing specs once a day would result in only needing about 3-4 hours of farming, including the dailies done. And thats not even the most efficient gold farm depending on class/spec.
You can easily make 350-400g in less than 4 hours if you have the slightest idea of how you should be farming. Gold is easy to get in tbcc compared to vanilla classic, and the price of respecing didn’t go up either.
And summarizing that argument as “you do not want any changes to tbc” or #no changes is an accurate description. If you said dual spec shouldn’t be in the game because pvp’ers farming gold in the open world for respecs makes the world feel more alive, I wouldn’t summarize that position as “no changes”. See the difference?
I read through many corpseknife posts and he keeps talking about “needing” dual spec.
pvp participation is ridiculously low, and the dual spec fee directly contributes to players avoiding arenas who would have participated before. I don’t think we “need” dual spec but I think it would improve the gameplay experience for people who do both pvp and pve.
If dual spec was in the game, many players would queue arenas several nights a week. With the current system, you have to schedule your arena queue sessions around raids and partner availability to avoid hundreds in gold for respecs.
It’s not arbitrary only in the sense that it enables or enforces player behavior that is unprecedented for the expansion we’re meant to relive with TBCC, which is the result I want to avoid.
You simply aren’t supposed to be able to do whatever you want without acquiring the gold to support those habits or playstyle. That’s just a key element of TBC I think should be retained. That’s not #nochanges. It just means the change you’re proposing ain’t one of the ones I approve of.
#somechanges means not everything is OK to be changed. Only some things.
It’s not a strawman.
How does retail spec not address the issue they want dual spec to address?
If anything the same arguments could be made by a person who wants retail spec, to a person who wants dual spec.
