Your cutting out the “about” word in there, lol.
And the second day I recorded it was well under 10 minutes lol.
Yet they didn’t reply to it. It was odd…lol.
Thank you for the well thought out reasoning. I still disagree but I see your point of view.
And I agree that your position is not #no changes. You clearly explained the issues you think dual spec would bring and I sort of agree with them.
“You simply aren’t supposed to be able to do whatever you want without acquiring the gold to support those habits or playstyle”
This is where I disagree. Players who enjoy swapping between pvp and pve are the main people that have to deal with this problem.
Pve focused players could go months without respeccing while pvp focused players could easily spend over 200 gold a week swapping specs. Honestly I just want more people to participate in pvp and I believe the current dual spec fee deters people from playing.
And is 2 hours of farming to much per week for you?
You could also play the AH and not farm at all.
Buy low sell high or buy mats sell product.
I have made over 500g buying severally underpriced nearherweave cloth from the AH, made bandages, and vendors them for profit.
I do it when I am going to be half afk watching stuff on the internet, doing chores, exc.
And yet Blizzard made TBCC include the idea that all of those lack-of-refinement features weren’t set in stone for TBCC. That’s the whole idea of some-changes.
TBCC is not TBC anymore, it is mostly TBC.
WotLKC will not be WotLK, but rather mostly WotLK.
And so on.
The recreation ideal is unbounded and undefined, so while we can disagree on what makes something a proper/faithful recreation or not, it really doesn’t matter, it is up to Blizzard.
Many future expansion changes could be folded into TBCC, as we have already seen, while others would take so much work and so much change that it wouldn’t be easy to implement and would really change things up a lot.
Splitting Feral into Feral and Guardian specs would absolutely allow Druids to have far more expression and individuality in those roles… which is a good thing… but would also eliminate one of the few Druid selling points of fulfilling two roles at 98%+ optimal performance with a single spec… which is a bad thing.
On the other hand, if Druids were given some kind of alternative versions of Dire Bear Form or Cat Form such that they were entirely different spells, did the same thing, but gave you a different look, like the way Mages have multiple Polymorph effects, this would be a change to be sure, but not one that critically changes how we play the game and would just be kinda neat to have. These spells could later disappear when added as Glyphs or Xmog choices or w/e later… or they could be brand new (like the Warpstalker Mount) and just stay.
Not all changes are the same nor do they all lead to the same place. Dual Spec is far more of the latter than the former.
But for the fact that most people aren’t out in the world farming gold outside of daily quests, but rather on an alt inside of a dungeon doing AoE grinding or hunting for guaranteed mining/herb nodes or similar.
Sure, and so far I’d say they’re doing a decent job, given dual spec has not been added.
As we get further and further in to the future, distancing ourselves by time from the initial changes (and subsequent ones near the beginning of P1) that were already made, I’ll become more and more confident that this lack of action on the issue is intentional.
Honestly, gold isn’t a problem for me. It sucks having to waste 200g on respecs every week just to participate in pvp but I enjoy pvp so I do it.
Unfortunately I know several people who think farming for 4-5 hours a week to fund respecs isn’t worth it so they don’t participate in pvp. They’re out the farming gold, but they don’t like wasting it on respecs when they still have to buy consumes for raid, new gear, level professions, and/or epic flying.
More people participating in pvp is a good thing.
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Good point. Or they’re typing in those credit card numbers to a gold buying site.
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The problem is that I think that effort is part of TBC’s core identity.
It sucks to do. Do you think I love farming? I mean, it’s not like I take joy in it.
It’s just…something that was a part of the game that is inherent to the experience and is too important to gut. It’s part of what makes TBC, TBC.
So while I support #somechanges, I don’t support the kind of changes that substantially alter what TBC was meant to be at the time it was designed or created.
Seal of X being given to Paladins of both factions, the arena changes or drums, imo, do not do this.
The paid boost does, imo, and yes I’m still here after they added that atrocity, but you can only take so many cuts before you wrap it up. They announced the boost before we even got to play the game. It was a different circumstance.
Another good point I agree with. The effort and grinds are part of what made tbc a good game worth replaying.
My only rebuttal here is the effort needed to do both pvp and pve is substantially greater than just pve.
Most serious pvp players also raid as several BiS pvp pieces come from raids, so they’re already doing the same amount of farming as everybody else that raids. Then on top of that, they’ll need to farm another 200g for respec fees that pve focused players don’t ever have to deal with.
I completely understand your argument but I feel the respec fees are disproportionately affecting players that want to do both pvp and pve. I think doing both pvp and pve should be encouraged, and not punished by having players have to pay 50g respec fees every time they want to swap between content.
Me and Riger have, on some occasion, indicated we’d be open to a “arena spec” that activates only when you are in arena.
If you wanted to mess with that spec outside of arena, so as to be good at World PvP for example, you’d have to do what you normally do an respec the same way you do now.
How would that fare for you?
If your only issue is PvP, it doesn’t make sense to support a big change that will affect everyone, not just PvPers.
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I am also not against an arena only “dual spec” as it would increase participation. Without effecting world pvp, BG, pve, exc.
It’s a much more controlled change than what full dual spec would do.
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More smear - the example was perfectly fine and you understood it.
Again when confronted with an argument you can’t adequately address, out comes the smear.
And right on cue - arguing against a strawman - I am for some changes and you know it. Just smearing “an enemy” again, it’s how you roll.
Nah - it’s an opinion, and one I am able to back with evidence.
Not a contradiciton.
The devs aren’t perfect. Not everything they intend happens as the intended. So when I say that the devs aren’t perfect I’m being very consistent - they make mistakes. World buffs was one. Incidentally that is a change I support.
The design intent in one game is not identical to the design intent in another. The fact that dual spec was not part of the design of TBC and was part of the later design by a different lead dev of WoTLK does not imply the devs were wrong in TBC, they had different design goals.
You claiming that this is contradiction or a lie on my part is you playing the fool. I don’t believe you are that stupid - it’s an obvious ploy. More smear.
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100% would support this
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I’m also in favor of “arena spec.”
Where dual spec is hamfisted, the arena spec idea seems like the surgical approach to the central problem.
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I say no to ‘arena spec’ and yes to dual spec TBC servers.
Edit: Or Extra Classic-y servers.
Yeah why did they get bored though If you want to make that argument there could be several reasons for that too.
It’s like Maybe there’s such a barrier to entry or they can’t find people to do mind people to do anything.
Maybe if people didn’t have to pay a 100 gold every single time they don’t have to do something different they may not have left.
That’s what happens with variety
I guess when you buy your gold from 3rd party websites you’re more reluctant to part with it.
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Maybe they need to plan their gameplay better?
Do raids on Tuesday Wednesday, change to pvp spec for the rest of the week then change back to pve later Monday?
If you plan it out you can do your pve on specific days then pvp on other days, it’s the changing spec on a whim that makes it expensive.
So basically what you’re saying is People should have to play the game like a job.
And what if Is their Guild doesn’t do rates on Wednesday what if they do it on the weekends
people shouldn’t have to play the game like a job
bro life is hard man jus like tbc without dual specs i gotta life to live yknow between my two 9-5 jobs, 5 new borns and moonlighting as pro bono world class heart surgeon saving small children in the rain forests i dont got time to think about specs that way i jus wanna pvp after i quit my lame dungeon group and then go back to looking for another dungeon after i quit the bg and i need the game to accommodate my playstyle/lifestyle or everyones gonna quit man i swear
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