Okay, I guess, but … why? Sure it’s faster than regular flying, but the tradeoff is it requires more skill to pull off. Also, there’s really no need to “balance” anything in old zones as no one ever goes there outside of levelling, and nothing competitive happens there.
If anything, removing the cooldown on soar would actually give people a legit REASON to hang out in the old world. I could see impromptu groups of Dracthyr congregating on the top of Blackrock or Hyjal for informal races and just playing around with the new toy.
That is exactly the kind of behavior an MMO should want to encourage, and is a further reason the cooldown should be removed. So what that no one else can do it. It’s not competitive content, your warrior is not disadvantaged in the new raid because my Evoker can fly really fast across Kalimdor from the top of Mount Hyjal.
And if you are really jealous, you can just, you know … make a Dracthyr, play through the starting quests, and then just soar around the old world. It requires no levelling or gearing, no time investment whatsoever besides an hour or so of questing to get started. It is casual fun everyone can have with absolutely zero barrier to entry, and that is something this game could stand to have a lot more of.
If it has no cooldown, skill stops being a factor. It is straight up faster by an obscene amount.
Outside of the dragon isles it’s a fun bonus, in the dragon isles right now is where it deserves to not have a cooldown.
Also there’s the fact that if you keep your requests reasonable, you’re more likely to get them. Blizzard isn’t going to want to give exactly one race unlimited access to the fastest way to get around since the deeprun tram. It would be cool, but it’s unfair to everybody else.
With the cooldown outside of the dragon isles it’s fair, it fulfills its purpose as being a neat bonus without being busted. As racials are supposed to be. Right now, the cooldown IN the dragon isles is what’s unnecessary, because nobody else has a cooldown there.
I am advocating making it full dragonriding, including using the vigor resource, so skill would still be a factor.
So what? What competitive content takes place in Kalimdor or the Eastern Kingdoms? Who cares that a race can fly faster in irrelevant, outdated content?
They are limited to one per realm, and can only be one class. So the fact that Dracthyr can soar does not, for example, make Tauren obsolete, because they cannot be Warriors, or Death Knights, or Hunters, so there’s no argument that you’d “have to” make your Paladin a Dracthyr because the racial is too good … You already have to make your Evoker a Dracthyr because that’s the only option, and you can’t make Dracthyr anything else.
Dragonriding is super fast, but it’s basically useless for gathering and has a cast time, making it weaker than Druid flight for anything even remotely competitive (including gold/mat farming).
So … I still don’t get what the problem is. Replace the cooldown with the full vigor mechanics, and we’re good to go.
Druid flying is already unfair to everyone else, and that’s been in the game since TBC (where they also got to train it for massively less gold than everyone else). Keep in mind that Dracthyr are not a normal race: they are a race that is also a class. If Blizzard opens the race up to additional class options, then yes, the racials will need to be revisited because they would be too good, and there would be no reason to play anything else. Until then, why not use the fact that it is a race/class combo to do something cool and fun that could not be done if it was a normal race?
It’s actually harder to make good use of now without the vigor mechanics because the vigor recharges at a reasonable speed, meanwhile you only get 2 charges of a forward boost, and 1 charge of an upward boost as it is now.
The point is that blizzard doesn’t want players to feel bad because they’re not playing a certain race/class. Regular flying compared to dragonriding is a snails pace.
See above
It’s not useless when you can book it to each node with incredible speed, and also see them further away with a different racial.
I agree, why does this make something even more unfair justified?
This is why we can’t have nice things. All of your objections are valid.
However, I still don’t see the problem. So what if I can mine ore in Northrend twice as fast as a Druid? (I don’t think that’s actually true, but that’s beside the point.) Even still, it is an advantage in farming old, outdated content that has a very limited range of actual usefulness. It is not an advantage in any kind of current or competitive content.
And again, it is an example of clipping the wings (literally) of a feature that could be tremendously fun because it might, in niche cases, give an advantage in outdated, depreciated content that hardly anyone ever uses anymore.
Things can be fun, i’m just trying to remain within the realm of reason with my requests. Do i think having soar everywhere would be fun? Yes. Do i think they’d ever go for that? No, not really, and i understand why that is.
So i come in with the attitude of compromise. Right now, it would be within the realm of reason to just ask for it to have no cooldown in dragonflight areas. The next level up would be to ask for it to work off the vigor system like the mounts.
Having it have no cooldown everywhere would be what i asked for if they brought dragonriding to the rest of the world, so everyone could use it.
It’s like negotiation, you don’t lay out all your hopes and dreams on the table right away. Start small, inch forward. Because if you can’t get them to agree to a small thing, there’s no way they’ll go for the whole package.
Only thing I can figure, is Blizzard wants the ACTUAL customizable “Dragonriding” mounts to be special and feel rewarding to unlock new customization options over time. Which I totally get. I would probably just say, when you’re IN the Dragon Isles, then “Soar” becomes a full-fledged “Dragonriding mount”. And when you’re NOT in the Dragon Isles… well, THEN you can maybe keep the 5 min cooldown.
But I would rather see the cooldown start when you CAST the ability, so if you travel a long ways but accidentally touch ground, you aren’t suddenly stuck with JUST starting said cooldown. But maybe that’s just me.
Fair enough. I guess I’m just hopeful if people push for it enough and explain the reasons why, they might actually consider it. They seem at least a little more open to feedback and fun these days.
I think full dragonriding in the new zones and a reduced cooldown (1.5-3 minutes) elsewhere would be fine if they won’t go for no cooldown. But I do think 5 minutes is excessive, even in the old world, so I’d like to see a reduction at least.
That’s another compromise that would be acceptable.
If Soar keeps a CD then I think its options should be: 1min, 1.5 or 2min. Anything more is excessive for what can currently be done with it. Though I will add if they bring the vigor system to it, 3 mins (at maximum) would be fine imho.
I agree with the people saying that the CD should start from casting the skill. I think this would be fine.
Regardless of what happens with Soar - Dracthyr should absolutely be able to opt for regular flying. Just make it a learnable skill or something please!
Apart from minor cosmetic issues, visage choices being limited, and lack of a tank spec, this is the only other big bummer with Dracthyr left imo.
Removing CD would be harmless.
Make it not able to be cast in combat, give it the full fledged mechanics from dragon riding, it’s functionally no different from a class specific mount at that point and that’s fun and fine.
