This is a point that I would agree with. However, I don’t think it matters much to the point that throwing games on purpose detracts from the enjoyment of BGs for those who are there to engage in the BG for fun.
I would be somewhat surprised if full group lossmades are the main subjects of bans, and not smaller groups forcing their preference on others, and being reported.
AFKing BGs was very common and popular in original BC as well to farm your honor set.
This isn’t new for classic.
This was also actionable back then and existed to LEECH the honor and wins.
There were no “AFK Loss premades” back then rofl.
We’re more sophisticated now with discord organization but the idea of afk farming stuff in battle ground is old as ever. It’s leeching honor not wins, and for the pre-patch also marks.
Look at all the anti afk measures Blizzard had to keep implementing over the years.
I agree with most of your posts, but this isn’t true. AFK or fast loss bg’s for fast marks has existed as long as battlegrounds for w/e faction (alliance) has fast queues
I did one in TBC so your argument is already invalid. It certainly wasn’t common, but it did happen and it became more common later on.
There certainly were in Arenas. I actually ran a weekly 5 man loss made during BC.
What are you talking about? I’m not banned - in fact, I’m waiting in my 15 min queue on horde side at the moment.
I’m talking about the bigger problem is that people will be opportunistic and not play the game as intended unless the incentives are adjusted.
Not in TBC. I played so many games in Vanilla, TBC and WotLK. Not a single one afked as a team unless it was a blowout and the team decided to just let the 5 cap roll.
In no time during these 3 eras has there been a team specifically designed to lose the game before the queue happened. This was probably because there were 5-6 different established rules being broken here.
It would be no different from group based AFKing for rewards in arena. There’s rules against it for a reason. And people DID try to do it for arena.
People AFK in these battle grounds are doing it for the marks. They don’t like that BG, but are required to do it, so they take the path of least resistance to get what they need and get out. I encountered this a few time in vanilla/TBC “lets just get the mark and get it over”. This isn’t a new thing, just more pronounced this go around.
If you are afking your BGs, you should be banned.
Sorry but win-trading to get a much smaller reward is not only against the rules, its also a negative-IQ moment.
I certainly condone or encourage it.
But blizzard has turned the most popular BG ( AV imo) into a PVE race as opposed to a mass PVP game. Time is the most important factor to the playrs playing BG’s now. A quick loss is more valuable than a long win.
Hence while ive seen very little actual AFKing i have seen people just ambling about making a judgment call on whether to put any effort into that particular game or not.and the usual answer is ‘not’
Don’t AFK in BGs, don’t be a leech, if you get banned you deserve it.
Do you think they have to prove it to a court of law or something?
They can absolutely look at what you are doing, make a decision that it’s against the rules, and then hand you a timeout. And they do that.
It’s hilarious you think they need to prove it to you or anyone else.
Your personal insults are not welcome on my thread. I never participated in AFK BGs - I’m horde so it wouldn’t even make sense. You’ve made too many unfounded assumptions that are just not true.
I don’t believe a single 15stack losing premade got banned for it.
What I would wager happened is a 5-10 man premade, loaded into a match, and told their team they were gonna afk, and asked the rest of the team to throw, and got mass reported.
its gone back and forth from this many times. Removing all the npcs in the middle of TBC was definitely when this started.
But they also made the change where the battlemasters pulled with the general and allowed the battlemasters to stack buffs between themselves and the general. This created a situation where players needed to burn the towers and kill the general.
People could kill the captain, capture and burn all 4 towers and kill the general all in under 8-12 minutes depending on how on-board your team was with the strat. And this was the best strat. So this was definitely a lot faster than original AV, but still required the tower meta.
I never said people aren’t AFKing. I said you don’t get banned for that. There’s an automated anti-AFK system.
The only way you get banned is if you’re automating the way you avoid going AFK.
Whatever makes you feel better. Keep reporting as AFK and watch as they continue to AFK without punishment.
I know that your goal of afk bgs is activism, but labeling the premise of AFK bgs being negative-IQ is not directly insulting you, its insulting the idea itself.
Since you aren’t looking for honor or marks when you create or join or support people who make these groups, you don’t even support the honor/mark income basis for the win-trading that I’m insulting.
Didn’t there used to be a timer if you hadn’t engaged in PvP combat and if you didn’t in like 2 minutes it would kick you? Or was that a popup when someone reported you? I remember seeing it once or twice but don’t afk so it wasn’t an issue.
Seems there should be an easy way to make people participate, or get kicked.
You have to be involved in combat every so often or the timer starts. OR you have to be near a base flag or objective.
Even if someone tries to AFK near a flag or base, those are often combat hotspots so they would just get killed if they didn’t fight.
Put a giant catapult in the graveyard that hurls you onto the battlefield if you stand there for more than 20 seconds unless you’re waiting on a rez. 